News : CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Diocese of California
CALIFORNIA: Integrity Applauds Nominations in Diocese of California
Press Release
February 20, 2006
Integrity is pleased by the wonderful diversity of the nominees for the next bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of California-including both a gay man (the Very Rev. Robert Taylor) and a lesbian woman (the Rev. Bonnie Perry). It was inevitable that another gay/lesbian person would eventually be nominated to the episcopacy. Whether or not Robert or Bonnie is elected by the Diocese of California, it is inevitable that another gay/lesbian person WILL eventually be elected, confirmed, and consecrated to that order of ministry as the Episcopal Church continues to live into its call to fully include all of the baptized into the Body of Christ.
The job of the diocesan search committee was to nominate the best possible candidates-and they have certainly done so. All of the nominees are well qualified to be a bishop.
The awesome task now before the convention of the Diocese of California is to choose the right person from among the nominees to be their bishop. They must elect a bishop whom they believe will best meet the needs of their diocese in the coming years.
Regardless who is elected to be the Bishop of the Diocese of California, it will be the responsibility of the General Convention of the Episcopal Church to give or withhold consent to that election when it meets this June in Columbus. As it has in the past, Integrity expects General Convention to follow canonical procedures to the letter-giving consent to the bishop-elect if there is no justifiable impediment to his/her consecration. The canons clearly state that, "No one shall be denied rights, status or access to an equal place in the life, worship, and governance of this Church because of race, color, ethnic origin, national origin, marital status, sex, sexual orientation, disabilities or age."
We realize that some of our brothers and sisters in other provinces of the Anglican Communion will be dismayed by Robert and Bonnie's nomination and, perhaps, regard it as deliberate disregard for the Windsor Report. However, it must be remembered that the Windsor Report is a set of recommendations with no binding authority. Both the Diocese of California and the Episcopal Church must discern and obey the will of God as faithfully as they know how-even if doing so in not consonant with the understanding of other members of our communion.
(The Reverend) Susan Russell, President
president@integrityusa.org
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/20 20:55 Updated: 2006/2/20 20:55 |
 Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio"However, it must be remembered that the Windsor Report is a set of recommendations with no binding authority. Both the Diocese of California and the Episcopal Church must discern and obey the will of God as faithfully as they know how-even if doing so in not consonant with the understanding of other members of our communion."
********* Well there it is! As if it could not be more clear. To 'Mars' and back with the Windsor report which in my opinion is weak anyway. I hope they really discern the will of their false God and meet the fate of those who have choosen to walk away. BHTech |
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/20 21:04 Updated: 2006/2/20 21:07 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6863 |
Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio This comes as no surprise. The inmates of the San Francisco Insane Asylum have made their statement, and the election of a queer bishop is virtually assured. So is the schism! What Miss Russell has actually said to the rest of the Communion is "UP YOURS!"
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/20 22:18 Updated: 2006/2/20 22:20 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Quote:
*It is inevitable that another gay/lesbian person WILL eventually be elected, confirmed and consecrated to that order of ministry as the Episcopal Church continues to live into its call to fully include all of the baptized into the Body of Christ.* Gee, Ya really think so, eh? WHO is gonna do the honors of grafting the putridly gangrenous and sickly body of homo/lesbo sodomy onto the Body of Our Triune God? Yeah, right!!! WHO has ever heard of taking a sick branch and grafting it onto a healthy tree and expecting that tree to LIVE? No amount of genetic engineering is gonna make that possible! There are some really sick minds out there - probably would even make hollywood blush. Lord Have Mercy on the sin-sick rabble that call themselves leaders of jecusa/pecusa.  |
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| JimMcNeely | Posted: 2006/2/20 22:23 Updated: 2006/2/20 22:23 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/4/7 From: Posts: 699 |
Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Land of fruits and nuts indeed!
I think this is wonderful news. ECUSA is showing the world where they stand. The Anglican Primates are watching and will certainly take note of how this is handled at GC and beyond. I expect the diocese will elect a homosexual and that the HOB will affirm the consecration. I also predict that the final excommunication of ECUSA from the Anglican Communion will follow shortly thereafter. Is there any doubt about the direction ECUSA is going? The only real question is why any orthodox Christian would want to be seen in any way with this bunch...and a second question (of a simiar vein) is why haven't all the orthodox Christians left yet. -Jim+ |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/20 22:26 Updated: 2006/2/20 22:26 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Father McNeely,
Shouldn't it be Land of fruits, nuts and flakes?  G-man |
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| warmac9999 | Posted: 2006/2/20 22:43 Updated: 2006/2/20 22:43 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio I consider this good news because it will hasten the day that the schism occurs. Let GC2006 deal with and affirm that the ECUSA is a homosexual celebratory organization not a Christian religious organization. Each decision of this kind merely clarifies - much like the election of Hamas to lead Palestine.
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/2/20 23:04 Updated: 2006/2/20 23:04 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/1/3 From: Posts: 3472 |
Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio I don't know what is more offensive, the despicable acts they perform on each other or the utter, total, and depraved selfishness that is its hallmark. They will impose their aberrant "lifestyle" on an unwilling population and the consequences be damned.
There's a place for people like this -- and it's not a Christian church. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/20 23:22 Updated: 2006/2/20 23:22 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6863 |
Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Yeah, Joe, and the air in the place smells like fire and brimstone!
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/20 23:57 Updated: 2006/2/20 23:58 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio ‘INTEGRITY’ REMOVED FROM LEXICON
Special to VirtueOnline—Cambridge, England The word integrity was formally and officially removed from the world’s most widely published dictionaries today, according to a statement by Oxford University Press, publishers of the Oxford English Dictionary, the definitive textbook that has undergone 171 revisions since first being published in 1857. “It has become a meaningless word,” said senior editor Homer Gerstein in a written statement, “especially since those cross dressers started using it.” Gerstein was apparently referring to a group led by the activist Susan Russell, spokeshuman for “Integrity”, an organization of weird humans whose fundamental operational principle is to hate normal heterosexual humans. Russell, vacationing with Rosie O’Donnell when Oxford made the statement, could not be reached for comment. jotv |
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| David_Fine | Posted: 2006/2/21 0:50 Updated: 2006/2/21 0:50 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/29 From: Madison, WI Posts: 321 |
Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio I have no expectation that The Anglican Communion will expel The Episcopal Church U.S.A.
The Anglican Communion has not shown much stomach for such things. When the Episcopal Church continues on the same path (as it will), and the Anglican Communion response is equivocal(as it likely will be), it will be up to those who disagree to figure out where they will stand and what they will do. I'm not expecting anything as clean as "ECUSA is out and the Network is in". |
| bygrace | Posted: 2006/2/21 1:21 Updated: 2006/2/21 1:21 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Oh, how our Lord and Savior must truly weep!
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| JAKramer | Posted: 2006/2/21 2:19 Updated: 2006/2/21 2:19 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio I wouldn't worry too much for our Lord. I think He stopped paying any attention to the ECUSA long ago.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/21 2:35 Updated: 2006/2/21 2:35 |
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Gays among Nominations for Bishop in California Quick -- Call Carmen Miranda ....
With the growing number of fruits in the ECUSA'N "Episcopacy" (and I use the term "episcopacy" very loosely), I think the House of Bishops needs to update their official wardrobe accordingly ...  |
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/21 3:51 Updated: 2006/2/21 3:51 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio David_Fine, I don't share your pessimism. When the primates of the Global South said two years ago that if the Episcopal Church and the Canadian Diocese of Westminster didn't repent of their actions, they made it crystal clear that they would not tolerate such behavior, and if it meant that if these Churches chose to walk a different path, that path would be away from the Communion. Even though they can't be expelled from the Communion, they CAN be shunned! And that is exactly what will happen. The primates have already granted recognition to the Network as the sole representation of Anglican Christianity in North America. I fail to see how it can be any clearer than that.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/21 4:39 Updated: 2006/2/21 4:41 |
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Re: Gays among Nominations for Bishop in California Amfreborg,
Good to hear from you again - as always, you are quite timely with your posts, especially in re to Carmen Miranda and the House of Bishops wardrobe malfunction. G-man |
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| JimMcNeely | Posted: 2006/2/21 9:50 Updated: 2006/2/21 9:51 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/4/7 From: Posts: 699 |
Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Hi David!
There is certainly truth that the Anglican Communion could work for the St. Louis Candy Company since they are experts at "fudge." Your point is also well taken that there really isn't a mechanism to expel renegade provinces like ECUSA and ACoC. But this is about the Global Primates. Akinola, Orombi, and Gomez will not be a part of an Anglican Communion that is corrupted by ECUSA and ACoC's homosexual heresy. The real question here is what Rowan Williams will do. The rumors are that the Queen will not stand by and watch the African and Asian churches walk away over this. The political pressure here is real. The Global South primates also have alot of power on the Primate's Council and the Anglican Consultative Council. I agree that there is a strong chance the Anglican Communion will lose the Global South. There is an even stronger chance IMHO that ECUSA will be looking in from the outside and the Network will be recognized in toto from the inside. -Jim+ |
| melora20 | Posted: 2006/2/21 12:22 Updated: 2006/2/21 12:22 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/3/27 From: Southern Indiana Posts: 227 |
Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio I don't understand in what way the Network is distinct from ECUSA. They are generating a lot of rhetoric, but they are still in communion with those who have chosen to walk apart. (I don't think that anyone needs to wait until June to know that ECUSA has already chosen to walk apart -- they've made it plain). That's the same old "wait until the Windsor Report" "Wait until the primates meeting" "Wait until the ACC meeting" stuff that we've heard before. Now it's "wait until GC '06." That's "maybe we won't have to choose" talk.
They are hoping that nothing will have to change for them -- they can go on operating within the same structure, and it will simply be renamed to be the new Anglican province. That way they won't actually have to choose. None of the martyrs said, "Well, let's just go along with our oppressors, because if we just wait long enough then God will bring them down." No, they chose to stand up for the faith, regardless of the cost. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/21 13:01 Updated: 2006/2/21 13:02 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Jim+, I think you're right about the Global South possibly leaving. Rowan Williams is being forced into a corner, and he's going to have to make a choice. The Queen is leaning on him....and if anyone thinks she isn't concerned, I've got news for them: She is dead serious, and I think this lady means business! When push comes to shove, look out! Even though Parliament runs things, her word isn't usually ignored....or so I'm told. She's a tough old girl!
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/21 13:31 Updated: 2006/2/21 13:31 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio We realize that some of our brothers and sisters in other provinces of the Anglican Communion will be dismayed by Robert and Bonnie's nomination and, perhaps, regard it as deliberate disregard for the Windsor Report.
Well...even the pagans know that the Windsor Report isn't worth the toilet paper that it is. However, it must be remembered that the Windsor Report is a set of recommendations with no binding authority. And neither should we be bound any longer under any assumed "authority" or desire for the CofE. It is time to give Rowan an unequivocable ultimatum....DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM OR WE BREAK THE COMMUNION APART FOREVER. CHOOSE THIS DAY ROWAN.....ECUSA AND A BROKEN COMMUNION OR BREAK OFF JUST A PIECE (ECUSA) AND SAVE THE REST! THIS CANNOT STAND!!!!! |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2006/2/21 14:05 Updated: 2006/2/21 14:05 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio "As it has in the past, Integrity expects General Convention to follow canonical procedures to the letter-giving consent to the bishop-elect if there is no justifiable impediment to his/her consecration ...
"We realize that some of our brothers and sisters in other provinces of the Anglican Communion will be dismayed by Robert and Bonnie's nomination and, perhaps, regard it as deliberate disregard for the Windsor Report. However, it must be remembered that the Windsor Report is a set of recommendations with no binding authority. Both the Diocese of California and the Episcopal Church must discern and obey the will of God as faithfully as they know how-even if doing so in not consonant with the understanding of other members of our communion." One thinks on Christ's holy passion.  One thinks on God's plan, His holiness, His Glory and Sovereignity. Then one experiences the depravity, narcissism, self congratulatory nonesense spewed forth from a liberal, secularized, arrogant organizations such as ECUSA/Integrity. Hearing statements such as "follow canonical procedures to the letter" makes me physically ill. I am in NO PLACE to judge, but somehow I cannot fathom Christ's will and purpose being to allow man to manipulate cannonical rules to suit his own (rather than God's) view of "justice." For me anyhow, its the humor and complete severing of ANY ties to ECUSA-ism that permits coping with this kind of human arrogance. |
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/21 14:36 Updated: 2006/2/21 14:36 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Amfreborg, there comes a time when one needs to ignore things such as legal procedures, and I think this is one of those times. ECUSA is governed as if it were a country. This was never the intention of the founding bishops....and it has gone far beyond what a church should be. It has become a political entity. Quite frankly, I have no use for any bishop or group of bishops who insist that running Christ's Church is by far the most important aspect of their job. Clergy are ordained to preach the Word of the Lord.....NOT TO GOVERN!
Aided, prodded, and ordered by "Integrity" and other such organizations, the ECUSA Government has told the rest of the Anglican Communion....and the rest of Christianity...."UP YOURS! We're going to do things OUR way, and to Hell with you!" You see, it is actually "Integrity" who runs the Episcopal Church....NOT General Convention! General Convention may "govern" the Church, but it is Integrity who actually calls the shots! |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2006/2/21 20:36 Updated: 2006/2/21 20:36 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Melora, don't be so pessimistic about the "in communion" technicality.
There are several network parishes in my area. We have all refused our "bishop" entrance, except to sit in a pew. Now, there is much going on behind the scenes. Think "poker" and this is high stakes! |
| Jude21 | Posted: 2006/2/22 0:43 Updated: 2006/2/22 0:43 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Cennydd, I agree with you. I believe that the Lord has stirred up forces among the faithful and I have enough faith and patience to wait another 4 – 6 months to see how it works out. I am blessed to attend a traditional, orthodox church with a Godly rector under an orthodox bishop. Waiting isn’t all that painful – just mark the donations “Local use only”, pray and trust in God.
If, however, David Fine is right, and the revisionists win big at GC-06, The ABC comes down on their side, the Network fails to act and the Global South folds, this boy is out of here! |
| MarkP | Posted: 2006/2/22 18:30 Updated: 2006/2/22 18:34 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio I wonder if the selection committee in California screened them for any substance abuse problems? ...just wondering, because it seems the main qualification for bishop these days in ECUSA is that you're gay or gay-friendly. Little else seems to matter.
The Committee in New Hampshire complete missed the issue that VGR was an "unrecovered" alcoholic at the time of the nomination, even though they surposedly knew him SO WELL. I surpose the possibility exists that the people in New Hampshire knew he was alcoholic but didn't tell the rest of us--because they were in such a gay-election frenzy? ...probably fueled on by a stirring note from Susan Russell or a bit of poetry by Louie Crew. Does this whole gay-election thing look suspicious to anyone else? |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2006/2/22 21:54 Updated: 2006/2/22 21:54 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Yeah, Mark, it does! Right from the very beginning....say around 1973....the LBGTQ crowd, led by Quean Lutibelle himself, and later by Susan Russell....has schemed and plotted the takeover of the Episcopal Church as a means of legitimatizing their lifestyle among the American people. It has been their agenda all along! They tried to do the same to the Methodists, but it backfired on them! They succeeded to an extent, but now that they've been exposed for the perverts that they are, we know how to fight back....and we're doing just that!
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| Traktaryan | Posted: 2006/2/23 19:25 Updated: 2006/2/23 19:25 |
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Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio The canons clearly state that, "No one shall be denied rights, status or access to an equal place in the life, worship, and governance of this Church because of race, color, ethnic origin, national origin, marital status, sex, sexual orientation, disabilities or age."
============ What would be a cause to deny someone "rights, status or access to an equal place in the life, worship, and governance of this Church"?? According to the "clearly stated canons", a blind, deaf, mute, quadraplegic, octogenarian, transsexual, lesbian, Eskimo, Siberian divorcee can be a bishop in this Church. What about incest? If a man is having sex with his sister, or father, or mother or brother -- would that be grounds to deny him rights to ordination and consecration? What if they're all consenting adults and fine members of the congregation? |
| Traktaryan | Posted: 2006/2/24 1:03 Updated: 2006/2/24 2:06 |
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Quotable Qutoes It's interesting that Suzy-Q is quick to quote "chapter and verse" from the canons when it suits her. How she scowls and looks down her nose on those who would quote God's word to her and her ilk.
So, the canons "clearly state" that we have no choice but to consecrate as many gays and lesbians as we can, eh? Well, Suzie, -- I've been waiting to say this for years -- that's just YOUR interpretation!!! As I read the canons, I doubt the authenticity of the authorship and I think that in a post-modern world, we cannot be bound by the cultural restrictions and limitations of the world in which the canons were written. As Anglicans, we have never been bound by only one individual's or group's reading of the canons. We've always enjoyed a wide diverstity of canonical interpretation. As I read the canons, I say that anyone who would consecrate a gay or lesbian to be a bishop is dead wrong. Since we're quoting documents, here's two, both of which are VERY clearly stated: "For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameful acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27) "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman: it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22) |
| Fiona | Posted: 2006/2/25 19:58 Updated: 2006/2/25 19:58 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/1/18 From: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 1071 |
Re: CALIFORNIA: Two Gays among Nominations for Bishop in Dio Maybe I should attend one of the Town Hall Meetings and report what I observe. One is going to occur in April in Walnut Creek, CA.
Fiona |
