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Posted by David Virtue on 2005/9/9 16:10:00 (5509 reads)

ORTHODOX ANGLICAN ARCHBISHOPS AFFIRM COMMUNION IS "BROKEN AND FRAGMENTED"

By David W. Virtue
http://www.virtueonline.org

NEW YORK CITY (9/8/2005)--Four orthodox archbishops of the Anglican Communion meeting in New York to receive awards for their service to the church, lashed out at the Episcopal Church with Nigerian Archbishop Peter Akinola saying that the unresolved issues facing the communion will cause it to come apart.

"Let there be no illusions, the [Anglican] Communion is broken and fragmented. This communion will break," he told a press conference at the Hilton hotel.

Asked what would happen if the Church of England continued on its present course affirming civil partnerships and more, the Nigerian primate said, "what they do with it is up to them. No one can choose who my friends are supposed to be or who I listen to. If England adopts a new faith that is alien to the gospel they can walk apart."

Uganda Archbishop Henry Orombi echoed the Nigerian primate saying, "We are not unified in our faith or the particulars of our faith. We see a different direction taking place. One step follows another. We can only pray and hope that it [the Church of England the US Episcopal Church] is not going to walk away. Where we started from was a long time ago, the only conclusion is to take us further away from each other. I side with Akinola, who knows what the picture will be."

Southern Cone Archbishop Gregory Venables said the situation in the Anglican Communion was no longer just the Global South versus the rest of the world. "It is all those who are biblically faithful, those who believe Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. God has revealed His Word to us and we are in communion with those who share that truth."

Venables said the primates would have to rethink the present situation. "This is not a communion. Communion is when you are part of the same family and therefore you are united by faith in the Anglican Communion. What we have is not a communion, but who call themselves Anglicans. Who really is in communion are those in communion with Jesus Christ."

Archbishop Venables said the recent formation of the Council of Anglican Provinces of the Americas and Caribbean (CAPAC) modeled after the Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa (CAPA) was necessary because of the confusion and theological chaos that has been introduced in the region by the unilateral actions of the Episcopal Church in the USA (ECUSA) and the Anglican Church of Canada, who have departed from historic Anglican faith and practice. The ensuing conflict has drained huge amounts of energy and resources from the mission of the church around the world. CAPAC is being organized to re-energize mission and ministry in the region.

Venables called for a re-evangelism of the north going from south to north. "What has happened in the United States over the recent years began as it lost its foundation in the Word of God. Gradually they have turned their back on what was first done and taught. They are doing eisegesis which means you bring your doctrine to the word. Exegesis is the Word of God and its authority, not your mind or philosophy. We want to work with leaders of this country (the US) who are orthodox in faith and morals." He said the move had already begun. "Our people are on their knees praying that God would bring revival. We need to be available to God and pray God will move the church here," he said.

Archbishop Akinola said his own Nigerian synod which meets once every three years would deal with looking at the Body of Christ and how that relate to the larger communion and what it means to be an Anglican in this world. He said an upcoming meeting of CAPA (pan-African bishops) would look at ways they can grow by "looking inwards" rather than to the wealthier western churches. He said an upcoming meeting of archbishops in Cairo would look at the identity of the church and how we see ourselves as One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and what that means in the larger context of the universal family. "We will not deal with negative issues but focus on mission and evangelism."

Asked if the archbishops would meet with the ECUSA Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold, one archbishop said "no", another said they were not in town long enough, but "we have not been invited over for tea."

Questioned on whether the new Archbishop of York, Ugandan-born Dr. John Sentanu would make a good leader of the orthodox faithful of the Anglican Communion with Archbishop Rowan Williams leading the liberals, the archbishops broke out in laughter and would not be drawn into the idea.

Questioned by this reporter about the AIDS situation in Uganda and the infiltration of the lesbigay ECUSA organization known as Integrity into his country, Archbishop Orombi said it was a "foreign infiltration which we are exposing for what it is and why it is not helpful for people".

Reflecting on his country's AIDS crisis, the archbishop said he continued to be vocal on the issues of morality which he takes very seriously. "We have never contradicted the Word of God. We urge our young people to abstain from sex before marriage, be married and be faithful. We have zero grace fidelity in marriage."

The Kairos Awards are the brain child of former chairman and president of American Standard Companies, Emmanuel A. Kampouris, publisher of an online Kairos Journal which makes annual awards to individuals who demonstrate exemplary fidelity to the authority of Scripture and exceptional pastoral courage in their efforts to restore the prophetic voice of the Church. All four primates praised the work of the Kairos Journal

One other archbishop, The Most Rev. Yong Ping Chung of Southeast Asia was also a recipient of the Kairos Awards.

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Philippa
Posted: 2005/9/10 1:24  Updated: 2005/9/10 1:24
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Stand fast, gentlemen, because the US orthodox are right with you, too...God bless and congratulations on your award; it is WELL-DESERVED...

With much Christian love,

Philippa
essodalori
Posted: 2005/9/10 3:38  Updated: 2005/9/10 3:38
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"Exegesis is the Word of God and its authority, not your mind or philosophy. We want to work with leaders of this country (the US) who are orthodox in faith and morals." He said the move had already begun."

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Bishop Akinola has stepped up to the plate to do what Boy Rowan cannot - to proclaim the Gospel of Christ unabashed and unafraid, no matter what. Thank God.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
naab00
Posted: 2005/9/10 10:13  Updated: 2005/9/10 10:13
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David do you know anything about the following:

http://titusonenine.classicalanglican.net/?p=8898#comment-327121
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/10 12:03  Updated: 2005/9/10 12:03
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There will be attacks from both the right and left. Be prepared for it.

Don Gander
Kurtthomas
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Splendid! Splendid! Now, go join the Akinola and leave us Episcopalians in peace! Please! Thank you!
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/10 12:48  Updated: 2005/9/10 12:48
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"Splendid! Splendid! Now, go join the Akinola and leave us Episcopalians in peace! Please! Thank you!"

I've already done so. The stench of the dying and rotting corpse of ECUSA, its lies and worldliness, was finally too much to bear. I am now in a place where all sinners are welcome; But make no mistake, sin is acknowledged, and the need for repentance made clear. It's the loving thing to do, you see. It's Love that died for our sin after all. Denying it is like spitting on Him. Continue your vitriol and spitting Kurtthomas... I weep for you.

Rj
Kurtthomas
Posted: 2005/9/10 12:50  Updated: 2005/9/10 12:50
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And good riddance to you, Ronna! So kind of you to leave. Please convince others of your ilk to do so! Thank you!
boomercat
Posted: 2005/9/10 13:21  Updated: 2005/9/10 13:21
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 Re: ORTHODOX ANGLICAN ARCHBISHOPS AFFIRM COMMUNION IS "
Once again we see the poster child for the Revisionistas revealing his true colors. A snide, snippy little twit who delights in useless confrontation, homosexuality, and abasing the Bible.
A true site pest.
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/10 13:36  Updated: 2005/9/10 13:36
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Well, KurtThomas, I must say you certainly do have a way of showing that your tolerance of those who disagree with you is at a very, very low level! We, however, wouldn't treat YOU the same way, and I'm sure you know it. The principle of treating others as you'd want to be treated evidently doesn't apply in your case, does it, Kurt?

In all of your posts on this site, you have shown an absolute disregard for the teachings of Holy Scripture as received by the Church from its earliest times, and you have pushed for the social agenda of those who scream "discrimination" from the rooftops......when in fact this "discrimination" is non-evident in just about every parish with which I've been associated in one way or another. For instance: In my former parish, we had a visiting priest who occasionally officiated in the absence of our rector. It so happens that he is gay. But the difference here is that this priest is celibate, and most of us had no problem with that. This man is one of the finest I've ever had the pleasure of associating with, and I consider him a good friend.

The problem most of us traditionalist orthodox have is NOT the sexuality issue. This is minor compared with the scriptural issue. THAT is the major bone of contention between us. Unfortunately, ECUSA has chosen to walk a separate path. We orthodox, however, are looking forward to a bright new future as we plant new congregations. Every week, more parishes are joining us in the renewal of Anglicanism. Please join us.....you'd be welcome!
Kurtthomas
Posted: 2005/9/10 13:54  Updated: 2005/9/10 13:54
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Blah, blah, blah, insult, blah, blah. Don't you people have better things to do--like leaving the Episcopal Church in peace?

I was not tolerant of racists and anti-feminists in the '60s and '80s, why should I be tolerant of you people today? The quicker you people leave ECUSA, the better off we will be.

You are welcome to your own Religously Correct fellowships; leave ours in peace!
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/10 14:04  Updated: 2005/9/10 14:11
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Dear Kennjones

I have no problem with your general response to Kurtthomas however, I take issue with you on allowing celibate gay priests to preach to our children. Gay people celibate or not should never be allowed to be priests or to preach God's word. This is precisely what the CoE is saying in an attempt to please the liberals while appearing to be conservative.

I say never because there is nothing stopping them from passing their views on to our children and thereby corrupting them mentally or physically. In addition, they themselves are false priests in that they are not following God's word in scripture. Who is to say one day they wake up and decide not to be celebate with our children. Make no mistake, there may be nice and pleasant priests who are gay and celibate, but such leaders are not what God wants.

As an additional example, we only have to look to the Roman Catholic church to see the consequences. Their priests make a vow to celibacy, straight or gay, but the 10000 abuse cases in the US and law suits speak for themselves. Don't ever tolerate gay priests celibate or otherwise.

God Bless

BHTech
Joe of the Mountain
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Kurtthomas is unworthy of human recognition. S/he represents the first ooze of slime to seep from the casket holding the rotted remains of J'ECUSA!. S/he is a putrified soul of nastiness and hate... "there is no health in [it]" and it comes here only to spread the microbial agents of death and decay among the living. It does not wish for transformation. It does not wish for truth. It is seeking companionship in evil and nothing more.

To kurtthomas, 'tis "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" as Milton put it.

Best to flee its stench as you would flee a cesspool or bloated carcass on the side of the road.
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/10 15:45  Updated: 2005/9/10 15:45
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Jer 6:14 They have healed also the hurt [of the daughter] of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace.


Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/10 15:49  Updated: 2005/9/10 15:49
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Dear Joe,

A toast to you sir for speaking the truth about J'ECUSA and, sadly, kurtthomas
Joe of the Mountain
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Aye. What drives a man to intrude on another's home and pillage it? Or to come rub salt in the wounds of his "brethren"?
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/10 16:17  Updated: 2005/9/10 16:17
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Dear boomercat,

Is there not an electrical form of the pesticide called Raid that we can use to get rid of this infestation?

wagnertuba
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Poster: Kurtthomas Posted: 2005/9/10 13:54:40

Blah, blah, blah, insult, blah, blah. Don't you people have better things to do--like leaving the Episcopal Church in peace?

I was not tolerant of racists and anti-feminists in the '60s and '80s, why should I be tolerant of you people today? The quicker you people leave ECUSA, the better off we will be.

You are welcome to your own Religously Correct fellowships; leave ours in peace!

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Apparently the K-man stands out among his fellow heretics. THEY say that heresy is always preferable to schism.

K-Thom can't seem to WAIT for schism!

Will you heretics please make up your minds?? Come on, now, everyone has to be on the same page. You can't have a decent heretical, apostate, degenerate, pagan thing-church if half of you want schism and the other half doesn't!

Can you?
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/10 17:36  Updated: 2005/9/10 17:36
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Tis hatred, for sure, but the salt rubbed in our wounds can be sanctified and can quicken our healing.

Don

PS Do you know anything about "The Britsh Bull Dog"?
Traktaryan
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Poster: Joe of the Mountain Posted: 2005/9/10 15:03:02

Kurtthomas is unworthy of human recognition. S/he represents the first ooze of slime to seep from the casket holding the rotted remains of J'ECUSA!. S/he is a putrified soul of nastiness and hate... "there is no health in [it]" and it comes here only to spread the microbial agents of death and decay among the living. It does not wish for transformation. It does not wish for truth. It is seeking companionship in evil and nothing more.

To kurtthomas, 'tis "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" as Milton put it.

Best to flee its stench as you would flee a cesspool or bloated carcass on the side of the road.

===============================================================================

Indeed, Joe.

Especially considering his post the other day on a different thread. It was a response to DTWD in which the Anti-christ's little helper reminded her that there were also dogs and cats that died in New Orleans. And to top it off, he added "my dear."

Spoken like a true son of the devil.
dvirtue
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This is the same event I attended in New York and that story was written by Dick Ostling of AP. This story is also at my website under the NEWS section.

David W. Virtue
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MarkP
Posted: 2005/9/11 3:37  Updated: 2005/9/11 3:38
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"The quicker you people leave ECUSA, the better off we will be."

Sorry to disappoint, Kurt, but some of us (orthodox) continue as pledge-paying members of ECUSA, with full voting rights, by the way. We have reduced the amount of our dues, however--although I understand the liberals have rushed forward with checkbooks in hand to fund the shortfall?

We going to stay and talk about the authentic gospel of Jesus Christ.

16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?" 17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:16-17 NIV
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"schism.

"K-Thom can't seem to WAIT for schism!

"Will you heretics please make up your minds?? Come on, now, everyone has to be on the same page. You can't have a decent heretical, apostate, degenerate, pagan thing-church if half of you want schism and the other half doesn't!"

I guess that you haven't been around the Episcopal Church long enough to know that wherever two Episcopalians gather, there are at least three opinions.

I'm not taking my cues from the Most Rev. Mr./Ms. Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church USA. As an Episcopalian, I'm not compelled by the Doctrine of my Denomination to leave my brains at the door in the Holy Water Bowl.
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 Are you ready ?
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 Kurt can help with directions
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Posted: 2005/9/11 13:46  Updated: 2005/9/11 14:16
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Bullseye Mr. Gregory, Bullseye.

Problem is Kurt has no direction - Kurt is all thrust, no vector - pulling in all directions instead of to his Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

In Xrist,

wagnertuba

ps. Let the church help - killing you?
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"As an Episcopalian, I'm not compelled by the Doctrine of my Denomination to leave my brains at the door in the Holy Water Bowl."
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Everyone knows what compels you. And everyone knows where you left your brain. Holy Water would FRY it. There would be a stench of sulphur.
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Poster: Kurtthomas Posted: 2005/9/10 13:54:40

Blah, blah, blah, insult, blah, blah. Hiss, hiss, hissssssssssssss. Did God say, "youshall not eat of any tree of the garden?" The quicker you people leave ECUSA, the better off we will be.

You are welcome to your own Religously Correct fellowships; leave ours in peace! Hiss, hiss, hissssssssssss!

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Kurt,

No thanks. I'll leave the apple on the tree.
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/12 3:22  Updated: 2005/9/12 3:22
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THERE MAY BE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE LONG, DARK TUNNEL !

After suffering the stench of the priggishness (note my attempt at politeness) of CuteThomas, I suggest all those on this thread visit WorldNetDaily and peruse the September 10th column of Les Kinsolving.
In it, he details how the "Traditionalist Episcopalians win 1 in court."

It is refreshing to see that the California legal system is - at least for now - will not recognize Canon law regarding property law in legal matters. The piece is wonderfully written as was Mr. Kinsolving's column last week in which he noted the shrine to homosexuals with AIDS being built by the Episcopal Church. He wondered why there was not a similar shrine erected to those suffering from syphilis.
In any case, I pray that readers of this thread will quickly find themselves at the WorldNetDaily site and bathe in the comforting words of Mr. Kinsolving.

The ramifications of the California decision may blast the Connecticut bishops clean out of the water!
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/12 4:09  Updated: 2005/9/12 4:09
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Dear Rick186,


Yes, there maybe light at the end of the long, dark tunnel. Hopefully this case will have the necessary weight of a jurisprudential precedent that will be allowed in another state court. I'm posting the link of the article which you spoke about :http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46253

I hope more people will read it.

wagnertuba
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/12 4:37  Updated: 2005/9/12 4:37
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I'm not taking my cues from the Most Rev. Mr./Ms. Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church USA. As an Episcopalian, I'm not compelled by the Doctrine of my Denomination to leave my brains at the door in the Holy Water Bowl.

Kurt, I imagine most of the time you are simply sitting on your brains.
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"Everyone knows what compels you. And everyone knows where you left your brain. Holy Water would FRY it. There would be a stench of sulphur."--Traktaryan

Cute; but I often signate with Holy Water and it hasn't left a burn yet. And the only thing I generally smell is old incense. I guess being signed as Christ's own forever really does work.
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Kurt, I am so wonderfully happy for you, because you will get to meet your Maker sooner than most sinners.

If the wages of sin is death, you have a very nice paycheck waiting for you at the AIDS hopsice.

Godspeed.
Joe of the Mountain
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Gander, no more than it's public reputation of tenacity and fearlessness.

Please tell!
Joe of the Mountain
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When I basically insulted his manhood a few weeks ago the best he could do in response was babble on about silenced .22s like he's Tony Soprano or something.

This makes me very suspicious because kurtthomas did not mention a New York permit to own his weapon.

He is therefore a felon and deserving of arrest and conviction.

Anyone care to drop the dime (actually quarter and dime) on a criminal with illegal firearms?
Kurtthomas
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Joe, do you take something to make you so stupid? Are you an ex-hippie hick who "just got Jesus"? What is it Joe, too much acid in the '70s, or simply an inferior southern education?
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If you look at the history of the Episcopal Church over the past 40 years, you see an institution in substantial decline because it is constantly chasing whatever happens to be in vogue. Take the 1960s, the ECUSA lost over 600,000 members in a decade - not because of the civil rights revolution but because of its vicious anti-War and anti-military activism. Again, in the 1980s and early 1990s, the ECUSA lost another 600,000 members because a small group of revisionists decided to "pacify" the hymnal and confuse the prayer book. This revisionist behavior combined with the loss of second generation Episcopalians pretty much explains the next step down. Now, in the decade of the 2000s, we have the greatest of the revisionist assaults on the Church. The activism of the 1960s at least had some rationale basis. The silliness of the 1980s was simply touch/feely stuff. The situation of the 2000s is neither rational nor silly. It is unChristian, ruthless and ignorant. The Church survived the first two stairstps it will not survive this one.
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There is one other thing that seems to have escaped comment and that is the decline in the overall morals of the clergy themselves. 50+ years ago, a divorced minister was a defrocked minister. Alcoholism was the basis for dismissal from the pulpit.

Today, there are lots of divorced ministers, lots of recovering alcoholics and lots of other immoralalities to undermine the clergical purity that was once expected. It should be no surprise that a minister wants his or her sin expunged as normal and not sinful. The best way to do that is to declare that what was once a sin is no longer a sin, or that a sin once forgiven is no longer a bar to clergical leadership. The slippery slope has now become an avalanche of immorality and anti-Christian behavior and teaching. (As far as I can tell, there is no bar at all to clergical leadership other than belief in the Biblical truths themselves.)
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Posted: 2005/9/12 19:11  Updated: 2005/9/12 19:11
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"As far as I can tell, there is no bar at all to clercical leadership other than belief in the Biblical truths themselves."

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That is indeed the case. One very sure and certain way to be rejected from consideration for Holy Orders in most Dioceses in ECUSA is to profess a belief in Holy Scripture as the inspired Word of God and acceptance of it as authoritative for both personal and corporate moral behavior in the Church. Such a view does not accord with the contemporary Church.

The revisionists/progressives have to stock the Church with as many gays and lesbians as they can, or those who sympathize with them. There's no room left for anyone who professes orthodox belief and traditional morals.
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Posted: 2005/9/12 20:05  Updated: 2005/9/12 20:05
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""Asked if the archbishops would meet with the ECUSA Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold, one archbishop said "no", another said they were not in town long enough, but "we have not been invited over for tea." ""

Griswad & vicki basically do only cock tails.
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/12 22:43  Updated: 2005/9/12 22:43
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Oooooooohhhh Mr. Gregory,

Speaking of cock tails???!!!

GRISWAD??? Sounds like language from the 'hood
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/9/12 23:16  Updated: 2005/9/12 23:18
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Principal verbs for the written article: Broken and Fragmented (fragged) - does make for an enjoyable spectacle when the revisionistas rush in like fools to repair the breech.
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