Exclusives : AFRICANS STALL WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY AGENDA INTO AFRICA
AFRICANS STALL WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY AGENDA INTO AFRICA
News Analysis
By David W. Virtue
http://www.virtueonline.org
Efforts to push Western pansexual attitudes and behavior onto African Anglican provinces, is meeting with vigorous resistance and has stalled in at least two jurisdictions.
Ugandan archbishop Henry Luke Orombi has vigorously opposed attempts to allow the openly American Lesbigay organization Integrity into his province, and told VirtueOnline when he was in Philadelphia recently, "While Integrity has a beach head in Uganda we have cut off Bishop Christopher Ssenyonjo for organizing the group here. He has been banned from preaching and we will not let him function with us."
Other African archbishops including Nigerian Primate Peter Akinola and Kenyan Archbishop Benjamin Nzimbi will not only not entertain homosexuality in their provinces, the latter has called for the expulsion of ECUSA from the global communion and Akinola recently said the Church of England should be suspended from the communion.
Only one province on the African continent and its primate Southern Africa Anglican Archbishop Njongonkulu Ndungane has heeded the siren call of pansexuality and believes that archbishops and bishops should not interfere in other provinces on this issue. He has also blamed the church for its "destructive theology" on AIDS. He also has an openly homosexual American priest "missionary" the Rev. Ted Karpf sent by the ECUSA to assist in the AIDS crisis on his staff.
But the most insidious invasion on the African continent and clearly the most dangerous is the recently elected Church of England vicar, the Rev. Nicholas Henderson, a priest in London, to be the next Bishop of Lake Malawi.
Archbishop Bernard Malango, under whose authority Lake Malawi diocese resides, got wind of Henderson's theology and morality and, despite gifts of $400,000 over the years to the diocese, challenged his election and raised a number of critical questions with him. He promptly postponed his consecration.
Specifically he asked if as the General Secretary of the Modern Church People's Union, whether he believed that the doctrine of the Virgin Birth was an essential doctrine, comparing it to the debate concerning creation of Darwinism. "Do you believe that Our Lord Jesus Christ was conceived supernaturally by God the Holy Spirit, with no human father's conception, causing the Virgin Mary to bear Jesus?"
Henderson had written a letter to the Times (August 9, 2002) stating that the "Historical formulations such as the Nicene Creed or the Thirty-Nine Articles are attempts at regularizing our common faith for our common good. Inevitably, they suffer from being their own time. We must be careful not to let them lose their point and become context less symbols of conformity, ways of playing games about being "more old-fashioned than thou".
Malango responded saying "The documents such as the Nicene Creed and the Thirty-Nine Articles are not simply theological photographs snapped at a moment in history; they are foundation stones which must be affirmed. Are you willing to state clearly and without equivocation that you fully accept, believe and practice the faith described in the classic Anglican formularies including the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament, the Thirty-Nine Articles, the Creeds, and the Ordinal?"
The Central African Primate said that it would cause disastrous conflict in the diocese and the Province if he was unable to affirm and commit to the faith as described in them, without exception.
Then Malango said this: "It has been reported that you currently live with (or have in the past lived with) a male "lodger". Because of reports of your advocacy of the gay and lesbian movement I am constrained to ask a very awkward question. Are you prepared to assure me and the members and leaders of the church in this province that your conduct conforms to the historic teaching of the church that sexual intimacy is restricted to be within the marriage of one man and one woman, intended as a lifelong union, and that you are not in (nor have you been in) a sexual relationship outside marriage? Is there anything I should know that would make my work difficult if you took up this position?"
To date Henderson has not answered the bishop's questions.
When VirtueOnline phoned the priest in London, he picked up the phone and when I announced who I was, he said the office was closed and hung up. When I called an hour later, a recorded message with a woman's voice came on saying the office was closed and to call back later. Clearly the vicar was in no mood to answer my questions.
Within hours of his first statement, Archbishop Malango announced, in a second release, that he would postpone the Court of Confirmation because of the letters of protest he had received from both local and overseas people, and he would wait till he had heard back from Henderson.
Malango also took issue with Henderson as he is the Chairman of Modern Church people's Union whose liberalism is well known.
On hearing the news, the Rev. Dr. Stephen Noll, an Episcopal priest and theologian residing in Mukono, Uganda, wrote VirtueOnline to say he was greatly relieved that Apb. Malango was now aware of the mind of the person who was elected in his Province. "Surely he has shown courage and grace in slowing down the process toward consecration and demanding an explanation of Henderson's theological views. It may well be instructive to see what kind of response Henderson makes to the questions posed to him."
Said Noll, "I am a little uneasy. Forked-tongued revisionists are quite capable of cloaking their views and affirming things they appear to have denied (e.g., affirming the "greater meaning of the Virgin Birth"), especially when episcopal purple is at stake. I wonder if it would not have been better for the Archbishop simply to refuse to consecrate him under any circumstances based on Henderson's public record."
Noll then cited two Scripture passages to support his case. "I Timothy 3:2 Now the bishop must be above reproach...I Timothy 3:7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap."
"The notion of a bishop being "above reproach" might disqualify Henderson even if he manages to wiggle around the questions about his previous statements. In a culture like Africa, as in the NT, matters of shame and reputation are very important," he wrote VirtueOnline.
"The possibility of Henderson "explaining" his position on the Virgin Birth in a satisfactory way is not possible short of a confession of error. And even if he did fully repent his former views, he should quite likely disqualify himself for having misled the church for many years. But of course we have no evidence at all that he has gone through a conversion of heart and mind," concluded Noll.
Indeed we do not.
Veteran Los Angeles columnist Douglas Wilkie wrote saying that diocese now finds itself confronted by a stealth Gene Robinson. "The mere fact that Henderson was domiciled with another man would make him unfit for the position. It will be interesting to see how Henderson avoids and attempts to deflect questions regarding his personal moral behavior. Should he refuse to respond to the questions put to him based upon some specious notion of indignation or invasion of privacy, the diocese of Lake Malawi should send him packing back to the two CofE parishes for which he serves as vicar!"
Wrote Wilkie: "The publicizing of the letter from Malango was obviously designed to 'smoke out' Henderson who apparently had gamed the electoral process by flying under the orthodox radar of the Central Africa province. The firestorm that will result from Henderson's rejection will resonate throughout the Communion. That rejection will serve to reinforce the crucial principal that mission and economic assistance predicated on false doctrine is tainted and should be rejected. Over the years, Henderson has apparently endeared himself to the diocese by coordinating and facilitating significant financial assistance to the diocese. However, the churches of the Global South, as well as other provinces within the Anglican Communion, have made it abundantly clear that they will not be bribed nor duped by such maneuverings and manipulation."
There can be little doubt that Henderson will not be allowed in despite his years of financial generosity to the Diocese of Lake Malawi, and just as clearly Apb. Malango will not succumb to the siren call of filthy lucre and let him in.
This writer knows the archbishop well and he will hold his ground. Unless Henderson can persuade the bishop of his orthodoxy in faith and morals he is dead on arrival.
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| Kurtthomas | Posted: 2005/8/26 19:55 Updated: 2005/8/26 20:41 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2005/4/13 From: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 248 |
 Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALLThe Afro-sectarians aint seen nothing yet. Once they are out of the Anglican Communion, all bars are off. We will do whatever missionary work we want, without reference to them in any way. We will, in fact, ignore them.
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| warmac9999 | Posted: 2005/8/26 20:27 Updated: 2005/8/26 20:28 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/2/16 From: Posts: 1463 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL it is difficult to envision how the homosexual and lesbian agenda will lead to greater missionary work in Africa when it is destroying the Anglican Communion and undermining the overwhelming majority of churches in the West. The revisionists can fudge a lot of things but they cannot fudge the damage being done, and the statistics are increasingly available on the extent of that damage. In order for missionary work to go forward, a church, or for that matter any organization, has to have the resources to effectuate the mission. The ECUSA's greatest increase is an increase in open warfare between bishops, clergy and laity - this is certainly not going to plant churches or lead to a sudden rise in attendance and membership.
The African Anglicans had better wall off the revisionist West, and look to assist the orthodox who are being treated to the intolerance of the likes of Griswold, Smith, Howard, and Bruno. |
| PJLILL | Posted: 2005/8/26 20:30 Updated: 2005/8/26 20:30 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/7/21 From: Alberta Posts: 310 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL "Sectarianism is an adherence to a particular sect or party or denomination, it also usually involves a rejection of those not a member of ones sect."
I think sectarianism is better ascribed to your comments Kurt. Peter |
| morrismpls | Posted: 2005/8/26 20:31 Updated: 2005/8/26 20:31 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL We should all be so lucky as to ignored by the likes of Mr. Thomas. One wonders why these frauds even stay in a Trinitarian church instead of just becoming Unitarians. After all aren't isn't the Nicene Creed just APPROXIMATE and 1 is APPROXIMATELY equal to 3? Gotta love revisionist math.
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| Kurtthomas | Posted: 2005/8/26 20:49 Updated: 2005/8/26 20:49 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/4/13 From: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 248 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL "...forasmuch as they be an assembly of men, whereof of all not be governed with the Spirit and Word of God,) they may err, and sometimes have erred, even in things pertaining unto God."
I am a Trinitarian. Formulas, Nicene Creed included, "may err". It's part of being human. If you want infallibilities, become a papist or a fundie. |
| ArthurDoxy | Posted: 2005/8/26 21:07 Updated: 2005/8/26 21:07 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2005/3/1 From: Albany Diocese Posts: 265 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Kurtthomas, you said: "We will do whatever missionary work we want, without reference to them in any way. We will, in fact, ignore them."
Do you mean to tell us that the revisionists, such as yourself, are up to doing missionary work in Africa? (Ha,ha,ha,ha . . .he,he,he,he . . .!) Why the revisionists can't even sustain parishes in their own communities. And what do revisionists know about evangelism when they shun the very mention of the word? Oh, and what would they proclaim, if not Christ, crucified? But assuming they decide to move ahead with this. As soon as they start promoting homosexual behaviors in Africa they will most assuredly come face to face with a less-than-compassionate hoard of Moslem extremists ready to confront them. By the way, you may have noticed that western logic doesn't seem to work with Moslem extremists. There'll be no b.s.'ing your way out of the dangerous circumstances you create with these people. So, tell us Kurtthomas! Do you think that the revisionists have the blood of the martyrs running through their veins? For their sake, I hope so. African missionary work is extremely demanding, right down to the demanding of one's own life. |
| JimMcNeely | Posted: 2005/8/26 21:09 Updated: 2005/8/26 21:09 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/4/7 From: Posts: 699 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL The Loon Left's record of projection and misunderstanding cannot be better stated than by reading their representative's posts here.
It is the heretical ECUSA and ACoC that will be out of the Anglican Communion soon - thanks to the leadership and orthodoxy of our brothers and sisters in Africa, Asia, and the Southern Cone. It is also the Loon Left bishops who are sectarian and intolerant. One need only look to the Diocese of Connecticut and Los Angeles for recent examples of how violent these folks have become. Just like the American Democrat Party in the USA, it is their adherence to heresy and an unwavering hatred of their opponents that will be their undoing. |
| ArthurDoxy | Posted: 2005/8/26 21:11 Updated: 2005/8/26 21:11 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Kurtthomas said:"I am a Trinitarian."
Let me guess what Trinity you believe in: Is it "the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria?" And the feast day is always in October. |
| mathman | Posted: 2005/8/26 21:31 Updated: 2005/8/26 21:31 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/5/26 From: Rockville, MD Posts: 1064 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL It is my hope that ECUSA considers very carefully before doing evangelism work in Africa. Muslims have many adherents in Africa. The Koran has much to say about homosexuality. A homosexual person is subject to immediate death. No trail, no jury, no lawyers, no jail, just death. Any time, any place.
You could look it up. This minor item of doctrine seems to have escaped the attention of some of our posters. Some in ECUSA may have regarded the historic creeds as outdated. Please be assured that the followers of Islam do NOT regard the Koran as outdated. The Koran is regarded as the very word of God, delivered personally to Mohammad. You may doubt the sincerity of a militant Muslim, but please do not doubt the sharpness of his/her knife. |
| shytech74 | Posted: 2005/8/26 22:38 Updated: 2005/8/26 22:38 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/4/23 From: Ontario Canada Posts: 1054 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL An apt choice of avatar Arthurdoxy...
Liberals are similar in many respects to the captain and crew aboard the Titanic back on that "Night To Remember"...The ship is fine..."the mutiny has failed"...the mutiny has failed...we're okay...pour me another scotch and soda brother.  |
| Traktaryan | Posted: 2005/8/26 22:47 Updated: 2005/8/26 22:47 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Poster: Kurtthomas Posted: 2005/8/26 19:55:49
The Afro-sectarians aint seen nothing yet. Once they are out of the Anglican Communion, all bars are off. We will do whatever missionary work we want, without reference to them in any way. We will, in fact, ignore them. ====================================================== pa-dum tssssssssss! Ah Ha ha ha ha!!!! I get it!! Kurt you're killing me with this stuff! He's here all week, ladies and gentlemen! And don't forget to tip your waitresses! |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/26 23:03 Updated: 2005/8/26 23:10 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL "We will do whatever ... we want, without reference to them in any way. We will, in fact, ignore them."
____ There you have it. Straight from the horse's mouth! The strategy in Africa will be exactly the same as in America! "WE WILL DO WHATEVER ... WE WANT, WITHOUT REFERENCE TO THEM IN ANY WAY. WE WILL, IN FACT, IGNORE THEM." Precisely what the Revisionists (aka Sodomists) did in the ECUSA: whatever THEY wanted, without regard to either the Bible or the views of the majority of Christendom. SO, WE SEE THAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT ONE THING: SODOMY. The only "missionary work" that such as these are interested in is to "convert" people into believing that Sodomy is godly. IT'S ALL ABOUT MY WILL AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOSPEL. This isn't Christianity at all. By this poor possessed soul's own effeminate rant, it is about Sodomy, nothing else. |
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| frcharlie | Posted: 2005/8/27 0:08 Updated: 2005/8/27 0:08 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Why did I know that Kurtthomas' first comment would be racist?
Charlie+ For the day is coming when they will no longer bear sound doctrine, but will gather around them preachers to tickle their ears. II Timothy 4:3f |
| frcharlie | Posted: 2005/8/27 0:15 Updated: 2005/8/27 0:15 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Quote:
I ama Trinitarian. I couldn't tell that from your posts, but I can tell that you are a racist. Charlie+ For the day is coming when they will no longer bear sound doctrine, but will gather around them preachers to tickle their ears. II Timothy 4:3f |
| morrismpls | Posted: 2005/8/27 2:44 Updated: 2005/8/27 2:44 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL No, Kurt Thomas, you are not a Trinitarian. You are at best an Arian, probably a Nestorian. You deny the Virgin Birth meaning Christ is actually NOT the literal "Son of God," rather either partly divine, divinely inspired, or divinely "possessed" or some sloppy combination thereof.
Believing the pronouncements of the Ecumenical Councils of the undivided Church neither makes one a papist or a "fundie." It is what makes us Catholic Christians and makes you heterodox or more simply a heretic. You would make "fundies" out of Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, the vast majority of the Anglican world (present company excepted), Lutherans, Methodists, and Presbyterians just to name a few. |
| Kurtthomas | Posted: 2005/8/27 14:18 Updated: 2005/8/27 14:27 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/4/13 From: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 248 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL "It is my hope that ECUSA considers very carefully before doing evangelism work in Africa. Muslims have many adherents in Africa. The Koran has much to say about homosexuality. A homosexual person is subject to immediate death. No trail, no jury, no lawyers, no jail, just death. Any time, any place.
You could look it up." Good point. Most Nigerians who would be interested in liberal, Western (TransAtlantic) Anglicanism are not so backward. They are educated and urban. And, of course, provincial. But they are not illiterate peasants shitting in plastic buckets. It is to members of the urban, educated elite that such Anglicanism has appeal. Perhaps, over time, this elite operating in government, in non-profit organizations, might be able to spread a liberal Anglicanism in such a global backwater. As to the bush, or 95% of this sub-Saharan wasteland, if a missionary were to do work in the bush in such backward areas, good marksmanship is essential. Especially at short range with a pistol. I certainly wouldn't go among the unwashed without armament. But then, I'm a red blooded American anarchist, not a pacie-fist. Bag a barbarian for Christ--between his hairy Moslem eyes? If he were to attempt my life, I'd be forced to kill him, wouldn't I? |
| Kennjon | Posted: 2005/8/27 15:06 Updated: 2005/8/27 15:06 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/6/9 From: St Alban's Church, Los Banos, CA Posts: 221 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Kurtthomas, please do us all a favor, will you? CLEAN UP YOUR LANGUAGE! We don't need cussing on this blog!
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| Kurtthomas | Posted: 2005/8/27 15:25 Updated: 2005/8/27 15:53 |
Home away from home Joined: 2005/4/13 From: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 248 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL How's this, Kennjon:
"They are educated and urban. And, of course, provincial. But they are not illiterate peasants sh***ing in plastic buckets. It is to members of the urban, educated elite that such Anglicanism has appeal. Perhaps, over time, this elite operating in government, in non-profit organizations, might be able to spread a liberal Anglicanism in such a global backwater." ? ? ? Now, next time I want to see you criticize Esso, you hear me? |
| Damascus | Posted: 2005/8/27 17:33 Updated: 2005/8/27 17:34 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/9/26 From: Republic of Karelia Posts: 640 |
Kurt, I Think We've Been Over This Before Kurtthomas quotes:
"...forasmuch as they be an assembly of men, whereof of all not be governed with the Spirit and Word of God,) they may err, and sometimes have erred, even in things pertaining unto God." Is this a self-description of the ECUSA HOB? Perhaps an admission by Kurt that they have been fooled and eaten the apple. Kurt quotes this article from the Articles of Religion (21, I believe) in order to help undermine the foundational documents of Christianity and Anglicanism. While it is true that groups of men have made mistakes from time to time, these mistakes are corrected over time. Doctrine that have stood for well over a millennium are assumed in most cases to be authoritative. Doctrine advanced for two years and which 95% or more of Christianity have rejected, cannot make that claim. His logic is ridiculous. This is common with revisionists. Here is what he is claiming. Some group of Christians at some point in time may have made a theological error. Therefore, I can adopt any absurd doctrine that I choose, and who are you to criticize it? The doctrine that Jews and Christians have believed for five thousand years is no more valid than something that I thought up over dinner last night. Many revisionists believe that the notion of "Freedom of Speech" has a second component that is "Freedom from Criticism." They believe they can make any daft statement that they want, and if you point out the obvious falsity of it, you are guilty of fascism and authoritarianism. In their relativistic world, one opinion is as good as any other. It doesn't matter to them if one has reason to support it and the other not. It is very intolerant and uninclusive to dispute another man's opinion. Kurt also leaves out the last part of the 21st Article of Religion. It provides the means by which these errors of men are corrected over time. Here is the part that he leaves out: Wherefore things ordained by them as necessary to salvation have neither strength nor authority, unless it may be declared that they be taken out of holy Scripture." Isn’t it interesting that the early practitioners of Anglicanism had the wisdom to recognize that errors of theology might occur, and they provided us a road map to get back on course. That road map was Scripture. If an innovation doesn’t pass the Scripture test, it should be regarded with suspicion at the very least. The fact that Kurt left out this part is not a surprise. The last thing that revisionists want to talk about is Scripture. Their strategy is to proclaim prophetic witness when it comes to sodomy, and then do their best to discredit Scripture. Without Scripture, people will not have a yardstick against which to measure their “new thing” that they claim God is doing. Kurt and his ilk want to advance the notion that Anglicanism has never really taken Scripture seriously. Why does he refer to the orthodox as fundies? He is trying to create the impression that we are at odds with historical Anglicanism. Nothing could be further from the truth. One of the key differences between Protestants and Catholics is that Protestants (Anglicans included) are very suspicious of doctrine that cannot be proved by Scripture. They certainly would not have adopted doctrine that was in direct conflict with Scripture, and they didn’t. Kurt and his friends have undertaken a radical departure from traditional Christianity and they know it. They are trying to position themselves as representing the “diverse center” of Anglicanism but they are fooling no one. They represent an already largely discredited fringe sect, who will become more isolated over time. |
| Damascus | Posted: 2005/8/27 17:58 Updated: 2005/8/27 17:58 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/9/26 From: Republic of Karelia Posts: 640 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Kurt is disparaging of our brothers and sisters who lack indoor plumbing. Well I have news for you Kurt, that is the condition of most of the world, and that was the condition in which our Savior and all of the early apostles lived. Those of us who spend our time out hiking or mountaineering or otherwise admiring God's creation are also subjected to such unthinkable depravation.
In Kurt's world, it is wrong to criticize someone because of their deviant sexual practices but it is OK to make fun of someone for being poor. If you don't live in the East Village and have a cottage in Provincetown, you are beyond the reach of God's love. |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2005/8/27 18:30 Updated: 2005/8/27 18:30 |
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Geraldo silliness The following is a from a Fox News interview of Geraldo Rivera. It shows the lengths to which the looney left have to go to justify homosexuality.
------------------------------------------------------- Following a discussion of the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba, Fox News host Gerald Rivera told his colleague Bill O'Reilly he is certain child molesters are born that way and cannot be effectively treated or cured. "I think that – I believe that child molesters – and I want to be very clear that I'm not saying it's like homosexuality," said Rivera Thursday night. "It's absolutely different. It's a totally different situation. But I believe that, like homosexuals, child molesters are born not made. They are not cured. You don't cure someone from being gay. It's insulting to gay people to say that you can cure them. It is a criminal justice, law and order reality, harsh reality, that you cannot cure a child sex predator. They are born that way. They will always be sexually attracted to children. Geraldo will not admit the connection even though the facts are there. He will not admit that many homosexuals and lesbians are cured of their perversion. Worst of all, he completely misses the statistical connection between child molestation and homosexuality. Typical liberal. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/27 19:11 Updated: 2005/8/27 19:11 |
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Re: Geraldo silliness warmac,
I always enjoy your posts. Geraldo always was, and continues to be, a shallow narcissist, a common malady among liberals. It remains to be seen whether Geraldo is himself incurable, whether he himself will someday be cited as proof that shallow narcissists "are born not made. They are not cured." |
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| polyphemos | Posted: 2005/8/27 19:23 Updated: 2005/8/27 19:23 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Dear Doglovers,
Again, we see the futility of of using USA Road Test Standards in other countries and continents. Driving Pansexuality in Africa just doesn't get anywhere the same mileage. Daisy, TWD |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/27 20:00 Updated: 2005/8/27 20:03 |
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Malango is a hypocrite... et al .
I don’t understand why would anyone even care to reply to such piece of rumour-carrying, face-saving, hypocrisy-overflowing crap. If Malango had any original intent to find out who Henderson is, why didn’t he just ask the English vicar to pay a visit to the provincial headquarters and, you know, talk and pray together? Or, even better, pay Henderson a visit, as so many neo-con prelates have done before with similarly persuaded parishes and groups abroad? Hard to imagine Rowan starring such awful piece of tasteless superstition and prejudice. The reason why neo-con news wannabes like DV could drool over the image of Jeffrey John walking out of Lambeth Palace after personally agreeing with Cantuar to walk out of the process that had nominated him as bishop of Reading. I myself have some African ancestors. Too many people I know, work with, confide with and pray for are African by either birth or ascendancy. Same with other ethnical origins. So I don’t tend to think of people as “geographically limited”, be it spiritually or in whatever other way. My qualm in regards to people like Akinola, Malango and Co. has nothing to do with the place where they were born and now live, but with their obvious, insane, opportunist thirst for power. Thirst for power is usually joined by arrogance, and arrogance is what would lead good ol’ Bible abiding Malango, for example, to write such a hypocrite letter and, in whatever way, allow it to go public. Which is what makes it a hypocrite letter, in the first place. Mathman, you wrote: “It is my hope that ECUSA considers very carefully before doing evangelism work in Africa. Muslims have many adherents in Africa. The Koran has much to say about homosexuality. A homosexual person is subject to immediate death. No trail, no jury, no lawyers, no jail, just death. Any time, any place. You could look it up”. I believe you. The news about that kind of genocide are all over the web. However, are you anyhow implying that it would be ECUSA the one to bring homosexuality to Africa? Or, would you agree, there are homosexuals there already and, as such, they face imminent danger of death on account of barbarian laws that punish their sexual orientation with the sword? Would it be too stretching to guess that, on that same string, you would agree that such laws be applied to homosexuals everywhere? What’s your point in linking ECUSA to the death of legions of homosexuals under the extreme-muslim rule? I fail to grasp it, as it now stands. Damascus, Many areas in Africa lack indoor plumbing –and, as you rightly say, as in so many other places in the world/ not as an inherent condition to “being Africa”. You can’t blame corruption either for the fact that there are more phone lines in Manhattan than in all of Africa. As with mathman’s –I believe- unfortunate ECUSA-muslim-capital-punishment-against-homosexuals logical string, I fail to see how it helps to simply contemplate a fact for which the West –in both its past imperialistic and present economically-blackmailing aggression against Africa- is very, very much responsible for. warmac, In regards to Geraldo being a liberal: an ultra-liberal blogger has ranked him 95 among the “100 people that are REALLY screwing up America”. The entry reads as follows (and I have saved you sensitive readers from most verbal expletives therein): “95: GERALDO RIVERA It's not because he was instrumental in helping to usher in the age of the daytime talk show freakshow. It's not because he helped stoke the fires of the late 80's Satanic Panic. It's not because he wrote a f*-and-tell autobiography in which he bragged about his one night stand with Bette Midler. It's not even because Al Capone's vault turned out to be emptier than Lindsay Lohan's refrigerator. The once and future Jerry Rivers makes the Daily Dirt list of The 100 People Who are REALLY Screwing Up America because he f* well knows better. Once a practicing lawyer, Geraldo began his career defending the Young Lords, a kind of Puerto Rican Black Panthers. Media attention led to media jobs, and soon he scored national exposure by busting into a lunatic asylum to expose the inhumane conditions therein. From that day forward, Geraldo has been fighting a losing battle against his own monstrously inflated ego. Occasionally, you could catch glimpses of a more serious, thoughtful, even intelligent journalist struggling to rip free from his ludicrous fantasy image of himself -- part Edward R. Murrow, part Ernest Hemmingway, part P.T. Barnum, part Indiana Jones -- which the world has come to know and despise. For a few years in the mid-90's, his CNBC program Rivera Live was the only media outlet to poke hard at the conservative movement's soft, slimy underbelly. He cut through their crap and, more often than not, he drew blood. It was quality political talk, and soon it was CNBC's highest rated show. Then, after 9/11, Rupert Murdoch came along with an offer Geraldo couldn't refuse. "Join Fox News and we'll make you our chief war correspondent! Come on! Be all that you can be!" Blinded by flattery and romantic delusion, Geraldo walked right into their trap. He accepted the job and was shipped out to Afghanistan where, with a little help from the mighty right-wing media Wurlitzer, he promptly began making an ass of himself. After a few painful weeks during which he was accused of giving away troop locations (bulls*) and lying about his proximity to a friendly fire incident (he claims he was mistaken), Geraldo was sent back home, utterly neutralized, a near universal object of derision and mockery. Matt Drudge, especially, delighted in passing along tales of soldiers smearing their hands with armpit sweat before shaking Geraldo's hand upon his tearful goodbye. Today, Geraldo walks the Freak Beat, covering the Michael Jackson trial and threatening to shave his moustache if his predictions don't pan out. For someone who didn't have that far to fall, Geraldo sure fell hard. Dishonorable Mention: All the women who let him get into their pant”. I hope it helps to keep the record right. |
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| Traktaryan | Posted: 2005/8/27 20:42 Updated: 2005/8/27 20:42 |
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Re: Malango is a hypocrite... et al frehao writes:
"Thirst for power is usually joined by arrogance, and arrogance is what would lead good ol’ Bible abiding Malango, for example, to write such a hypocrite letter and, in whatever way, allow it to go public. Which is what makes it a hypocrite letter, in the first place." This is an unsubstantiated claim, as the poster well knows. Purely a personal opinion. The most telling thing about this remark is the heavy contempt frehao heaps upon Archbishop Malango for believing in the Bible. Apparently, in the mind of a revisionist, or at least this particular revisionist, arrogance and belief in Holy Scripture are connected. And, apparently, according to frehao, any archbishop who would take steps to ensure a bishop elect in his province actually is living up to his ordintion vows has a "thirst for power". On the other hand, if Archbishop Malango would have blindly accepted whomever as a bishop in his province, regardless of his beliefs and/or practices, would frehao praise him for being a humble, innocent, Bible-skeptic? I wouldn't hold my breath. Archbishop Malango is a godly, faithful man whose only desire is to ensure that the souls under his charge get the best spiritual care they can. The integrity of anyone who would malign him for such a thing as that is doubtful at best. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/27 21:15 Updated: 2005/8/27 21:15 |
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Re: Malango is a hypocrite... et al If Malango obeyed the Bible in, at least, three other areas, to the depths he arrogantly expects others to obey those related to homosexuality –discussed in the Bible, not as orientation, but as behaviour- he would have no means whatsoever to have a letter sent out of the continent and, even less, through the internet. It means that he would have given away all of his wealth –and his church’s- to the poor, and walk around preaching the gospel. If you want to follow the Bible in such a strict way as to even supposedly place yourself above other human beings, you better start behaving like The Word (incarnated, Jesus Christ, you know?), that’s my whole point.
Are we assuming that there are clear signs of scriptural sanctioning of, say, episcopacy –as we know it, that is, a hierarchical institution, out of which Malango derives his authority to write such hypocrite letters in the first place? Many people would question it all and, believe me, it is at points convincing. If you answered “yes”, then I would gather that you also assume that the Bible does condemn divorce (hey, Jesus himself, sort of, forbids it, doesn’t he?). Then could you please, sugar on top, explain why NO “global south” province ever threatened to break communion with any “liberal” province that would accept remarriages in church and, even, remarried bishops? (No, Pike was not the only one). It’s the same Bible you’d be reading, I think. Oh because one thing is not as sinful as the other. Wherever it is that the Bible includes sin-grading list, I’ve missed it. Griswold, however much I may disagree with what he says and does, made a point in just this regards in an interview quoted here that only awoke vulgar jokes and worn out lines from most posters. He was talking about the ability to deal with the ambiguity we all share. I won’t go on banging on that –very much alive- horse, but may it suffice to say that judging others over their supposed breach of certain Bible texts puts all of us in a very Scripture-actionable position, so to speak. And then you’d have to talk about the issue of culture. Which is not the same in New Hampshire as it is in Nigeria. Something to which ECUSA has apparently paid respect to, simply because they did not threaten to break communion over Nigeria’s persistent refusal to acknowledge God’s blessing over both male and female as to give room to women in their church’s ordained ministry. Because it is their culture that women should keep their heads stuck into the ground. Just check out both their “church event” pictures -it pretty much looks like a male fraternity –eastward to the altar rail, of course- and “political news” –same crap… the male statehood in prayer, in all. And, finally: Traktarian, The reason why I affirm that Malango is a power-driven, hypocrite opportunist is, in principle at least, the same as Essodalori´s reason for sending his children to a roman catholic school –while he adorns his postings with “no sane person would leave their children alone with a roman priest not a minute!” crap: I’ve got my reasons, and they are enough for me. My only problem with his supposed faithfulness to the Bible… well, you can read it all above. |
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| Anglophile | Posted: 2005/8/27 23:08 Updated: 2005/8/27 23:08 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL " The Afro-sectarians ain't seen nothing yet. Once they are out of the Anglican Communion, all bars are off. We will do whatever missionary work we want, without reference to them in anyway. We will infact, ignore them" Poor Kurt, you seem to have anger management problems. Have you considered professional counseling? I have a nephew with the same problem. He has poor self-esteem and and covers it with bravado and bluster (anger). His anger is directed at himself which I have found is usually the case. He finds it safer to lash out at people to prove how tough and "right" he is and of course the world is wrong. It is difficult to cure but you should try. Why else would you contine to post on this blog and try to provoke and annoy others. You could use a lesson in tolerance. Maybe the two of you will grow up and get on productively with your lives. So sad to see wasted energy and lives.
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| Traktaryan | Posted: 2005/8/27 23:10 Updated: 2005/8/27 23:10 |
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Re: Malango is a hypocrite... et al I'm still not convinced that it's Archbishop Malango's actions that you're holding in contempt, but his beliefs. Suppose he let a letter be published and/or put on the Internet in which he praised the bishop-elect for doubting the Virgin Birth and having a male partner. Would that have prompted you to post a message here? In that case, would we be reading your posts about how arrogant and power-thirsty he is? Would you lob the same accusations against him if he were inclusive, pro-gay, pro-choice, etc.?
I believe there is one key difference between divorce and homosexuality in the Bible. Jesus does mention that divorece is strictly prohibited -- except -- for the case of unchastity on the part of the spouse. You must stay married unless your spouse cheats on you. There is no such exception in the case of homosexuality. Certainly the church has erred in the past. To countenance divorce for any reason other than what Jesus stated is a grave error. But what kind of reasoning is it that appeals to past errors as grounds for making new ones? Griswold and the other revisionists love to point to things like divorce and claim that because the church has no problem with that, they are obliged to approve of homosexuality. Non sequitur. That's like saying that since you've shot yourself in the foot you now have grounds to slit your own throat. Revisionists love to point to precedent to justify their innovations. Admittedly the church has made some mistakes in the past. That's no reason to go ahead and make more. Apparently the time has come to say "no more." |
| Damascus | Posted: 2005/8/28 0:03 Updated: 2005/8/28 0:05 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/9/26 From: Republic of Karelia Posts: 640 |
The West Must Be at Fault, Who Else Could It Be? Included in frehao's nonsensical ramble is the following:
Damascus, Many areas in Africa lack indoor plumbing –and, as you rightly say, as in so many other places in the world/ not as an inherent condition to “being Africa”. You can’t blame corruption either for the fact that there are more phone lines in Manhattan than in all of Africa. As with mathman’s –I believe- unfortunate ECUSA-muslim-capital-punishment-against-homosexuals logical string, I fail to see how it helps to simply contemplate a fact for which the West –in both its past imperialistic and present economically-blackmailing aggression against Africa- is very, very much responsible for. warmac, My previous comments had simply castigated Kurtthomas for belittling the idea of Africans not having indoor plumbing. Frehao has engaged the logic circuits in his gigantic brain and has drawn the conclusion that "The West" is responsible for Africa not having toilets and phone lines. It isn't exactly clear from where he drew this conclusion, but he seems pretty convinced of it. Never mind the fact that the Africans had zero toilets and phone lines before the evil westerners came and now they at least have some. Surely if the westerners had never come, there would now be universal phone service and toiletdom throughout Africa. The amusing part of this is that frehao won't even realize after he reads this what a dope he is. Would it be desirable if phone service was more prevalent throughout Africa? Absolutely. The same is true for improved sources of drinking water and of course, toilets and other sanitation. Should we as Christians be working toward achieving these goals? Clearly. Is "The West" responsible for the fact that they don't exist? Hardly. Frehao starts out from the perspective that all of the dysfunction that is common is other parts of the world can somehow be traced back to "The West." We are hardly the primary cause of most of the developing world’s woes, although I would concede that we certainly have some role. I would have to argue that in countries where the U.S. is involved, these countries have clearly made more progress than they likely would have on their own. Does that mean we have made no mistakes? Of course not. What it does mean is that the United States has been a generally positive influence in the areas where it has had a role. If you go to a rapidly growing place like China, where the U.S. is today an investor, and ask the workers if they would rather work for a U.S. company or for a Chinese company, what do you think the answer will be? In a huge proportion of the responses, it would be to work for the American company. The reason is that we treat our workers with respect. An American company is very unlikely to mistreat workers in comparison to a Chinese company. When we go into places, we take our values with us. Our companies, both because of U.S. law and because of public opinion, have minimum standards for dealing with workers. We are forbidden from paying bribes to government officials which separates us both from the locals and also from our European competitors. Local companies routinely pay government officials to overlook safety and other violations. We bring a certain ethical standard to dealings both with other organizations and with the people who would work for us. Unfortunately, most of the Chinese entrepreneurs find this quaint and curious and make no effort to imitate it. The problem in most places that we go into is not that the U.S. causes good people to go bad, it is that we come across bad people and are not successful at getting them to be good. Look at the countries of the former Eastern Bloc. Those countries that have adopted practices most like our own (Poland and Estonia for example), are doing very well. Countries that value openness, a free press, standard accounting practices, judicial independence and the rule of law, are thriving. Countries, such as Belarus and the countries of Central Asia (the -stan countries) are doing business as usual and have terrible economies and worse governments. The West is not the problem for most of these places but rather part of the solution. If they treated their own citizens in the manner that we treat their citizens, their countries would be much better off. |
| frcharlie | Posted: 2005/8/28 0:40 Updated: 2005/8/28 0:40 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Quote:
In Kurt's world, it is wrong to criticize someone because of their deviant sexual practices but it is OK to make fun of someone for being poor. If you don't live in the East Village and have a cottage in Provincetown, you are beyond the reach of God's love. Yes indeed, and the technical name for that attitude is racism. Charlie+ For the day is coming when they will no longer bear sound doctrine, but will gather around them preachers to tickle their ears. II Timothy 4:3f |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/28 1:59 Updated: 2005/8/28 1:59 |
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| Kennjon | Posted: 2005/8/28 2:24 Updated: 2005/8/28 2:25 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/6/9 From: St Alban's Church, Los Banos, CA Posts: 221 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Tsk, tsk....such venom! I would criticize Esso if his comments were as acerbic as your last one was....but they usually aren't. If they were, I'd tell him.....and anyone else who needed it. Cussing doesn't present one's point any better than using respectful language. I merely asked that it be toned down. 'Nuff said.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/28 2:32 Updated: 2005/8/28 2:32 |
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| Damascus | Posted: 2005/8/28 2:44 Updated: 2005/8/28 2:44 |
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Re: brief Your witty rejoinder should go a long way toward convincing people that you aren't a dope. I wish that I could come up with such clever material.
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| dturk | Posted: 2005/8/28 15:58 Updated: 2005/8/28 15:58 |
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Re: brief "But the most insidious invasion on the African continent and clearly the most dangerous is the recently elected Church of England vicar, the Rev. Nicholas Henderson, a priest in London, to be the next Bishop of Lake Malawi."
Why don't they just appoint some local shaman to the job? He would probably be no further in faith from true Christian doctrine than this Henderson heretic. Africa has already suffered enough to contend with this apostate. Perhaps they should ask Vicki Gene to appoint Henderson has his suffragan bishop. Vicki and Nicki could then do to diocersan membership what Spong did in Newark. |
| JimMcNeely | Posted: 2005/8/29 12:56 Updated: 2005/8/29 12:56 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Kurtthomas is an excellent representative of why the Loon Left in this country is losing adherents by the dozens on a weekly basis. The hatred, racism, bigotry, and arrogance of these people is unbelievable to me. In time, these dionsaurs will be remembered with all the fondness of small pox. Like that skin disease, they will be eradicated with a counter-virus known as Biblical, Traitional orthodoxy which has stood the test of time for 20 centuries.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/29 14:16 Updated: 2005/8/29 14:16 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL JimMcNeely,
The posts of frehao, kurtthomas, Fr_Steve and valis all serve as examples of the monomania of the revisionists. The only good that comes out of their posts is to remind us of the strange spirit that possesses and moves them and the inability of the revisionists to reason logically. I for one, think we should not address or respond directly to them, as this rewards them for their inflamatory, attention-getting language, but that we should, instead communicate among ourselves and use their posts as exemplars of the twisted logic and motives of their movement. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/29 14:48 Updated: 2005/8/29 14:48 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO LIBERATE AFRICA STALL Discouraging, yes. But the Godly work to free gays and lesbians from discrimination throughout the world will continue. Nobody ever said that discipleship would be easy.
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| Traktaryan | Posted: 2005/8/29 16:04 Updated: 2005/8/29 16:04 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Poster: stoneridge Posted: 2005/8/29 14:16:48
JimMcNeely, The posts of frehao, kurtthomas, Fr_Steve and valis all serve as examples of the monomania of the revisionists. The only good that comes out of their posts is to remind us of the strange spirit that possesses and moves them and the inability of the revisionists to reason logically. I for one, think we should not address or respond directly to them, as this rewards them for their inflamatory, attention-getting language, but that we should, instead communicate among ourselves and use their posts as exemplars of the twisted logic and motives of their movement. ====================================================== Stoneridge: Indeed. We should not respond directly to their posts. Instead, we could address the kind of revisionist rhetoric and propaganda they express. Here's one. I've always wondered what it would take for a revisionist to say that they've finally gone too far. For instance, the revisionists desire to reinterpret Holy Scripture, to change the teaching and doctrine of the Church, to reconstruct the liturgy and generally to completely break with the past. So, once all of their changes are in place and some time has passed and things have become settled in, it seems reasonable to suppose that beginning at that point, they would not welcome anyone coming along to revise their revisions. Or, is the thing revisionists cherish purely change for its own sake? It seems to me that revisionists have a design in mind for what they want the church to be and they are working to achieve it. But once they have it, certainly they would not want someone ELSE to revise what they accomplished. Or, do revisionists recognize ANY limit at all? Is there nothing that would appall them to the point that they would protest against it? For instance, once they have all the GLBT clergy they want, all the inclusive language liturgies, bibles, etc., etc., could there be any new innovation after that point that would cause them to resist it? In other words, is there anything a revisionist would reject? Not counting, of course, all that they currently reject, like orthodox belief and traditional Church doctrine and teaching. |
| Chris2 | Posted: 2005/8/29 17:05 Updated: 2005/8/29 17:05 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Traktaryn,
"...is there anything a revisionist would reject?..." It is all about Self. Revisionists are Narcissists. For a Narcissist, the whole problem with Scripture and the Gospel and with Jesus Christ is that we are each called to deny self. For a revisionist, the limit comes whenever they are called to deny self. To them, Self is on the throne. To them, the self is their god. |
| gregory | Posted: 2005/8/29 17:08 Updated: 2005/8/29 22:06 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL How to Sacrifice Self
by Charles Stanley Jeremiah 29:11-13 11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. A house devoid of furniture echoes with emptiness. Every smudge on the carpets and walls stands out, and the rooms seem cool regardless of the outside temperature. We can feel like that empty house when we refuse to sacrifice our self-will to God. The Holy Spirit lives inside us, but we have no blessings to populate the rooms. Believers are inundated by the Lord's benefits when they practice deliberate and voluntary submission-in other words, when we make a willful decision to yield undivided possession, control, and use of our entire being to the Lord Jesus Christ. That means we go wherever He sends us, we do whatever He requires, and we desire whatever He desires. Even if we do not want to comply, we nevertheless commit to obey, no matter what. Each believer will eventually come to a point when a decision must be made regarding sacrifice of self. At that moment, we face an important choice: either we gamble on our own ability to produce a good life, or we acknowledge the Lord's right to be in charge because He will invariably act in our best interest. Of course, whichever way we decide, God is truly in control, so the real choice is between obedience and rebellion. Our daily lives are filled with situations that test our resolve to remain faithful, so every day we should renew our commitment to surrender to God. In return, He will use you to build His kingdom and give you innumerable blessings, filling your life with the peace and joy that only comes from serving Him. just wanted to share this article, gregory Chris2, you are absolutely correct! Bullseye. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/8/29 20:13 Updated: 2005/8/29 20:18 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL "It is all about Self. Revisionists are Narcissists. For a Narcissist, the whole problem with Scripture and the Gospel and with Jesus Christ is that we are each called to deny self. For a revisionist, the limit comes whenever they are called to deny self. To them, Self is on the throne. To them, the self is their god."
____ Chris2, EXCELLENT! PRECISELY! And I would add that they prove this very truth when they defend and sanctify sodomistic, same-sex relations and proclaim them equal to complementary sexual relations, which God intended as the means of procreation. They do not unite to become complete as God intended; they unite with another one just like themselves who cannot possibly complete them. They seek a "complimentarity" which affirms themselves, not a mutual complementarity in which they give something of themselves to another to beget a new life and a new soul. And thus, even in the most fundamental, life-affirming and life-generating act, they proclaim "SELF, SELF, SELF!" |
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| DTWDog | Posted: 2005/8/29 21:03 Updated: 2005/8/29 21:03 |
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Re: AFRICANS STALL WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY AG .
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| DTWDog | Posted: 2005/8/29 22:07 Updated: 2005/8/29 22:08 |
Just can't stay away Joined: 2005/8/28 From: huper carolina infra Posts: 114 |
Re: AFRICANS STALL WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY AG And now for something completely different,
PAN SEXUALITY..  DTWD  |
| voxpop | Posted: 2005/8/29 22:10 Updated: 2005/8/29 22:10 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL gregory, I do like the new logo. Is it meant to represent the new-style ECUSA miter?
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| gregory | Posted: 2005/8/29 22:18 Updated: 2005/8/29 22:20 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL voxpop, somewhere here is an article that says if you are in an emergency situation fly your Episcopal sheild upside down... here in North Florida diocese, we are following the path of Conn - Ala - Californication ... we been set up...  |
| voxpop | Posted: 2005/8/29 23:38 Updated: 2005/8/29 23:38 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Whatever - it certainly looks as though Christian teaching has been turned upside down!
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2005/8/29 23:40 Updated: 2005/8/29 23:40 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Kurt! You have flat-out surprised me with this solid endorsement of the right to self-defense with deadly force!
Are you a shooter? I came to the practice fairly late in life, at age 28 by steps, being the well-tempered middle-of-the-road liberal that I was in my youth. However, I adopted firearms with a vengence, so to speak, and went on to take advanced instruction at legendary Gunsite Academy, the hard-core seminary if you will for those who follow the way of the gun. Fabled "Father Frog" (an ECUSA marksman priest) included! So tell me this: one does not usually find rump-wrangling and pistolcraft in the same sentence. How did you come to take up the ultimate conservative cause, that of preserving one's own life and the lives of others against aggression? |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2005/8/29 23:54 Updated: 2005/8/29 23:54 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL Don't forget the positive aspects of their scribblings:
1. It's more interesting than our own kibbitzing over the latest J'ECUSA! outrage... 2. Learning how they think is important in defeating their arguments in normal people who pick them up at face value 3. It is an enjoyable task in its own right, arguing with Mother_Steve and Herr Obergruppenfuhrer Thomas et al... almost as much as rzachers lunacy 4. It is a good thing in and of itself to prevent groupthink. You know, it's what happens when you drive away everyone who disagrees with you and one day, everyone just thinks the same. |
| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2005/8/29 23:59 Updated: 2005/8/29 23:59 |
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Re: Geraldo silliness He made more sense when he was still Gerrald Rivers.
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| Joe of the Mountain | Posted: 2005/8/30 0:09 Updated: 2005/8/30 0:09 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO LIBERATE AFRICA STALL I am equally appalled at the hatred and discrimination demonstrated against good, decent, hard-working and affectionate people such as the 29 year old blind and very loving Mr. Dan Yoder. Mr. Yoder did nothing more than express his love for his companion and some philophobe went and arrested him! Obviously, there is a lot of repression and rejection of "otherness"...
Or the case of the innocent José Solares, 46, of Eileen Drive in Anderson Creek, NC. Well, best to quote directly... Quote:
THE INTOLERANCE! THE JUDGMENTALISM OF THIS "NEWS" STORY!!!!! And that's why bestiality is a welcome Gift from (someone's) god (Baal? Beezelbub? Lord of the Flies????). Mother_Steve and Herr Doktor Kurt, don't you agree??? |
| Gideon_FL | Posted: 2005/8/30 1:03 Updated: 2005/8/30 1:03 |
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Re: AFRICANS STALL WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY AG stoneridge, thank you, your posts keep this thread on topic, and I agree we should NEVER feed the trolls. I've been a reader for years but never posted because I wanted to avoid interaction with those who only want to provoke and pervert.
I've had much experience with priests and bishops in Anglican-African churches who visited my (former) AMiA parish and at Winter Conference. They know that the orthodox in America have more to worry about than property, and they are true scholars. The revisionists who lack either logical or biblical arguments to support their unrepentance never engage them or respond to the substance of their arguments because they are simply not equipped (coming to a gunfight with only a picture of a knife). The more we commune with, pray with, study with and learn from these Godly African leaders, the more equipped we will be to win our own country for the faith once-delivered. Faithfully, Gideon |
| JRoss | Posted: 2005/8/30 9:46 Updated: 2005/8/30 9:46 |
Home away from home  Joined: 2004/3/15 From: New Jersey Posts: 896 |
Re: Kurt, I Think We've Been Over This Before Damascus writes;""Kurt quotes this article from the Articles of Religion (21, I believe) in order to help undermine the foundational documents of Christianity and Anglicanism. While it is true that groups of men have made mistakes from time to time, these mistakes are corrected over time. Doctrine that have stood for well over a millennium are assumed in most cases to be authoritative. Doctrine advanced for two years and which 95% or more of Christianity have rejected, cannot make that claim."""
Why would anyone quote from the Articles of Religion when the ECUSA has publically stated they are just historical documents and interesting reading, not doctrine or policy? Just, as to them, the Bible is just an amusing set of stories, and not to be taken literally. One has to know the Law in order to know sin, so it stands to reason that if one rejects the Law, then they have no concept of their sin, so there is no sin. Unless the Law or Articles are needed for a feeble attemp to get one's point supported. |
| gregory | Posted: 2005/8/30 10:50 Updated: 2005/8/30 10:50 |
Home away from home Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4436 |
Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY AGENDA |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/9/7 21:59 Updated: 2005/9/7 21:59 |
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Re: AFRICANS STALL WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY AG Well,
It is sad to note that some members on this forum think of Africans as tribal bunnies in need of enlightenment from the west. With Akinola as one of the soundest leaders of the Anglican Church in Nigeria, the Africans don't need the corrupt enlightenment from either Abp Williams or Abp Griswold. Since Williams and Griswold have given themselves over to the church of fecal homosodomania, the Africans hold their nose and run away from the heresy of the west. wagnertuba |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/9/7 23:43 Updated: 2005/9/7 23:43 |
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Re: WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY INTO AFRICA STALL JimMcNeely,
When you refer to the Loon Left - Do you mean the NSDAP (National Socialist Democrat Abortion Party)? I trust that you know that the Left is made up of the New Left, the Old Left and the Whats Left...  Blessings, wagnertuba |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2005/9/7 23:49 Updated: 2005/9/7 23:49 |
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Re: AFRICANS STALL WESTERN ATTEMPTS TO DRIVE PANSEXUALITY AG Pansexuality...
I wonder if ECUSA and C of E are in the process of transmogrification to become the next Unitarian Universalist Sect whose Lords Prayer starts as: "To Whom It May Concern" wagnertuba |
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