The Church of England, like ECUSA, is now a church of homoanalfecal sodomy, and a child molester church.

The only difference is, the Church of England will lie to you and yours, even more than ECUSA does.

The Church of England, like ECUSA, is a DANGER to your children.

God will NOT be mocked.

And His son will NOT fail to punish the spiritual sodomization of children.

Thank heaven (and I mean that) that there are real men, like Bishop Akinola, unafraid to stand up for God and Christ, and for true love (not fake compassion and hellish lies) in this corrupted and perverted world.

Akinola is storin' up treasures in heaven, while others, in England, are reserving their places in Gehenna, where there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

With Christian love,

Essodalori

Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap. Whoever sows to the flesh, shall from the flesh reap destruction.

Now then.

According to some on this website, I am an Akinolite. I am in agreement with the teachings of the Primate of Nigeria, who (in the opinion of some) is a power-hungry maniac. I believe ++Akinola to be a faithful servant of God, one whose ministry is preserving the faith for the 19 million adherents to the Gospel in his nation.

The C of E is indeed faced with a choice. Do they remain the state-subsidized church of a failing government, or do they stand for the faith once delivered to the Saints? As to a failing government, England will soon be governed by sharia law and all of the C of E prelates cut off from all support anyhow. Muslims do not like to have houses of worship of other religions in their lands. So they tear them down, stone from stone, and build mosques on those lands. If you do not believe this, check with your Hindu friends in India. If you do not agree with my notions of the suppression of other religions, please check with friends who reside in Saudi Arabia. They don't just take your Bible away. They take you away.

It's just the same old sad story. Sacrifice the ultimate on the altar of the immediate, is the way I heard it described 40 years ago.

The pathway that leads to destruction is broad and easy, and there are many who are found on it.

Here's the sick and Satanic program of the "Church" of England:

1) Knowingly and enthusiastically employ lots of active sodomites and lesbians as priests and "priestesses;"

2) Tell everyone that that's fine, because, you know, all those sodomites and lesbians promise (cross their hearts) to not engage in deviant and sinful sexual acts in their shared beds;

3) Baptise, confirm and provide Christ's body to active sodomites and lesbians (and if any brave priest be unwilling to so do, the active sodomite and lesbian priests will be oh-so-happy to);

4) NEVER, EVER, not in a million years, speak about sexual sin in church. Pretend at all times like there is no such thing. Be SILENT about it, even as sexual sin and depravity tear up the society and harm children;

5) NEVER, EVER mention the actual deviant sexual acts in question, and crush anyone who dares to be so impolitic to actually name them (like homofecalrectal penetration). Silence anyone who mentions homosexual sin by calling him a bigot and homophobe and super best of all, a HATER. (It doesn't have to be true; it just has to silence...);

6) Make over the church so that homorectal sodomy, lesbianite acts are all part and parcel of the fabric and woof of the church, from top to bottom (and I mean that);

7) Let all the little children become inured to the idea that sex has NOTHING to do with a male and a female or Godly marriage, and that if they might think it does, you should NEVER mention it. Help them to understand that men's playing with men's sexual organs, and women's with women's, or men's playing with the anuses and feces of other men, is perfectly normal and to be condoned and encouraged. Wear down your children's Godly natural consciences and knowledge of the meaning of male and female. Get them to accept and think nothing of sexual perversion. Inure them to depravity of all sorts;

8) NEVER tell the little ones about the fruits of sexual licence and perversion - disease, early death, divorce, the dumbing down of marriage, emotional turmoil, abortion and baby-murder, the idolization of lust;

9) So as to prevent schism, just simply lie to the world, and continue to tell everybody that the Church of England still (hahaha) believes that sex is to be reserved for man and wife;

10) Be able at all times to tell those fallen to sexual sin that the "Church" only states what the Bible says, but in practice doesn't mean it at all (wink, wink);

11) Rewrite a Bible, such as Rowan Williams endorsed, with the sexual stuff taken out. Provide it to the youth whever you can, so they will never know God's truth. NEVER remind them that Jesus Christ, Son of God, told us point blank that sexual immorality defiles us;

12) Confirm all sorts of sexual sin (group sex? sadomasochism? bestiality? man/boy sex?). For if you can't say no to one kind, there's absolutely no reason to say no to any other;

13) Lead people and their children to sexual degradation, perversity, sin, and hell, rather than toward chastity, sexual virtue, true marriage and heaven.

14) Above all, strive each day to bring children down, down, down to the depravities and fecalities and lusts and corruptions and perversions of the world, rather than lifting them up toward God.

And if you can do it with a big happy smile on your face, ever so much the better.

With Christian love,

Essodalori

Esso and mathman are truly doing the work of the Lord as they charge forth into battle against the satanic elements in the Church of Jesus Christ. This is the 'tude we should all have if we are serious about reclaiming that which was stolen by the criminal revisionistas.


With Xristian Love,

Johannes

Plain truth, clearly stated by Akinola. The decline of the once great Anglican Communion continues under the leadership of revisionists and cowards from the West.

I am about half-way through "The Life and Religion of Mahommed, the Prophet of Arabia" by the Roman Catholic priest Rev. J. L. Menezes, assigned to India for a very long time ca. 1900. It has been reissued by Roman Catholic Books and is available also through Townhall books.

He wrote to the Indians who were permitting the expansion of Islam, trying to show them the unvarnished facts about the Mohammedan religion and its founder. He summarized available learning on the subject into a short book.

I studied Islam at university--six credit's worth. I DID NOT KNOW THE HALF OF IT because most of it was sanitized!

Read 'em and weep, England (why is it they no longer call themselves by that name???? It's always "Britain".).

The CoE will go the way of the Church of Syria, Jerusalem, and all the other Christian churches destroyed by the fanatic Musselmen.

Roman Catholic Books - The Life and Religion of Mohammed

Townhall.com Book Service - The Life and Religion of Mohammed

Esso, do you mind if I ask which church your children currently attend? I'm wondering what you have done with regard to this. We are still in ECUSA simply because we can't figure out what else to do. I can't figure out if we're simply better off staying at home or attending ECUSA. So we attend ECUSA on a once or twice a month basis while offering limited financial support. Can't figure out anything else.

We now have a reverse situation. The western church used to send missionaries to Africa. Now Africa is going to do mission work in the western church. That tells me that the Lord in His infinite wisdom still loves His terribly misguided children. Blessed be the name of the Lord for His servant Akinola.

Pax Christi,

Johannes

The newspaper of record in Egypt - Cairo Times - somewhat recently pointed out that "not all muslims are terrorists but all the terrorists are muslim."

Pax Christi,

Johannes

As a member of a national church, I don't see why the various nations are not content to stick to their own backyards. This includes my own, of course.

When Paul started the "brother in Christ" concept, I don't think he meant we had to all move in together in one, big, happy commune. I'm pretty sure he was OK with the idea of "strong fences make good neighbors"...

Joe

Let me add one more book to your collection for other interested readers: "Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics, 100 Questions and Answers" by Daniel Ali & Robert Spencer

Here is something that appeared in the Diocesan Digest on the ENS website on Friday August 5th. Its origin is the Diocese of Massachusetts. I'm sure that after Dr. Akinola reads this wonderful piece of scholarship, he will want to completely rethink his position. After all, if it comes naturally for apes, it only seems right that people should do it too.


MASSACHUSETTS: Faith and Genetics publishes sexual behavior resource for churches

[Source: EWGFG] The Ecumenical Working Group on Faith and Genetics announces the publication of "The Science of Sexual Behavior in Humans and Other Animals: a Resource for the Churches."

During 2004-2005 the Working Group, sponsored by the Diocese of Massachusetts, sought "to find some scientific clarity that might illuminate our understanding and perhaps ease the churches' struggle" with issues around human sexuality and specifically homosexuality. The report summarizes their learnings.

"I hope congregations will include our report in discussions they have about their attitudes on sexual behavior," commented John Lewis, a member of the working group. "Of course, I realize that people's attitudes toward such matters seem to precede, not follow from, a study of the facts. But if some faith groups or individuals, having read our report and seen what is known and the considerable amount that is not known, soften their positions some, I'll rejoice."

Lewis, a software engineer who chairs FASET (Faith and Science Exchange at Trinity Church, Concord, Massachusetts) sees the report as useful for any congregation's science-theology dialogue group. Engaging it could inspire theological reflection on what is known scientifically, and in turn pose new questions that the sciences need to address.

Members of the Working Group found their task challenging for a variety of reasons. The document introduction refers to a number of SARs -- "sexual attitude readjustments" -- experienced by the Working Group. The Rev. Barbara Smith-Moran, the group's convener, explained that many of these moments came when studying primate sexual behavior. Others occurred with the admission that humans frequently use sexual behavior for the some of the same reasons animals do -- "to gain status, for instance, or to reconcile after a fight".

Lewis "had never heard of pheromones." He was fascinated to learn about them, and his assumption that "sexual attraction was a pretty straightforward thing, determined by a few genes and random learning in one's early environment" was challenged.

For the Rev. Dr. Norman Faramelli, the challenge was in the task. "How could we come up with a document that said something useful to the churches, and yet minimized the politicization of the debates surrounding sexuality?"

"The Science of Sexual Behavior," in its final proposition, describes the two edged sword of additional biological knowledge about same-sex bonds. Would "clarity from science make any difference to people with negative reactions?" Can science shed light on "what triggers the impulse to constrict or enlarge one's 'circle of empathy and love'?"

"In the case of homosexuality, more conclusive scientific data can either evoke sympathy and understanding, or it can result in a cry to eliminate [it] now that we know its scientific origins," commented Faramelli, a lecturer in social ethics at Boston University. The working group identified attitudes toward homosexuality as a key area for future research, through the natural sciences and the social sciences.

The report will soon be posted as a downloadable booklet on the Diocese of Massachusetts web site, or contact Smith-Moran at to request a copy.

Double Post

Damascus: interesting post.

Notice how it is inconceivable to those preaching "inclusivity" that the uncontested scientific facts of the increased physical and mental health risks associated with homosexual practice proove that the most logical and loving response to practicing homosexuals is one of warning rather than tolerance? I don't tolerate my 4 year old's running out into the street. That's because I love him. To be tolerant in this case would demonstrate truly pathological selfishness and neglect.

Whenever this argument is presented to revisionists, they usually seem to just go into a deaf stupor, with eyes glazed over.

So much for "science" and reason - the revisionists ceded these as irrelevent to their post-modern beliefs long ago.

As FrCharlie posted elsewhere from II Tim. 4:3f - "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

Blessings,

SheepFeed

Akinola wrote:
The proposal that the bishops will extract a promise from clergy who register that there will be no sexual intimacy in these relationships is the height of hypocrisy. It is totally unworkable and it invites deception and ridicule. How on earth can this be honoured? For the Church of England to promote such a departure from historic teaching is outrageous.

This situation is very distressing. Yet thanks be to God that there are leaders in the AC who love and honor both God and brother enough to hold the latter accountable for their behavior. In an age where Christian accountability and discipline seem to be in short supply--at least in ECUSA--I rejoice at the AB's bold faith.

If you have not read the results of a recent survey published in the UK (http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2845), you should take the time to do so. In light of the survey's results, AB Akinola's observations are both quite astute and right on the mark.

Testing double post theory??

Test

Damascus, sorry but "back" and "refresh" did not produce a double post.

Back to the drawing board; anyone know why we get double posts?

No submit was not clicked twice, adware/spyware is being run. So?? Private message is recommended, if you think you have the answer.

"Notice how it is inconceivable to those preaching "inclusivity" that the uncontested scientific facts of the increased physical and mental health risks associated with homosexual practice proove that the most logical and loving response to practicing homosexuals is one of warning rather than tolerance? I don't tolerate my 4 year old's running out into the street. That's because I love him. To be tolerant in this case would demonstrate truly pathological selfishness and neglect."

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You're right, sheepfeed. The average homosexual man (according to the Center for Disease Control) carries two or more venereal diseases, has anal warts (a precursor to anal cancer), has a 50% chance of getting AIDs, has scores and scores of sexual 'partners,' many of whom are completely anonymous, has alcohol or drug problems, and has a much higher incidence of mental disorders than does a normal person.

The true tragedy of homosexuality, is even greater, which is that men and women do not come to embrace their maleness or femaleness - and to marry and beget children, with all the joy and fulfillment that brings.

Finally, spiritually, they know they disobey God, and with that comes a rejection of virtue, a rejection of the Bible, and a rejection of Christ.

No true good of any sort comes from homoacts (or from fornication).

All of God's morality is given out of love - to help us each to become like Christ (and to help society help people become like Christ).

It is a vicious act of unlove to confirm a man in disordered, unnatural fecal/rectal acts, and to remake society over in the depravity of that act.

We harm our society, our children, our churches, because we are afraid to hurt homosexuals' feelings.

That's not Godly. That's hellish. We harm everyone in our fear to love. True love is not always 'nice.' That's why Christ was not always 'nice.' True love always wants what is truly best for the other, in the fullness of what we were meant, by God, to become.

With much Christian love,

Essodalori

yada, yada yada. The crisis is only in the minds of the shrill, self proclaimed "orthodox". As long as we're issuing calls, here's mine to Akinola: Mind your own business, and shut your pie hole. thank you.

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"I call on the House of Bishops of the Church of England to renounce their statement and declare their unqualified commitment to the historic faith, teaching and practice of the Church. Failure to do so will only add to our current crisis"

That sodomy thing's real important to you, isn't it, Steve? It's got a real stranglehold on ya. It would be hard to give up, wouldn't it? Got to have it, right?

Essodalori

"Esso, do you mind if I ask which church your children currently attend? I'm wondering what you have done with regard to this. We are still in ECUSA simply because we can't figure out what else to do."

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Dear Anggrl,

My kids and I, along with my wife (who is Roman Catholic), currently attend a very orthodox Catholic church (with good and holy priests). I do not want my kids to become Catholic, and that is OK with my wife. Indeed, the shock of the thousands and thousands of homomolestations of teenage boys in that church still has us reeling. But we do not have so many good options in the town adn area where I live.

At the very least, my kids are getting true Christian moral teaching, and a good understanding of Scripture, and a reverent Mass - and I know the priests there personally. They are good and holy and true men.

All I can say, Anggrl, is that you should find a place for your kids that makes a true and faithful attempt to stay true to Christ. The differences in interpretation and history and so forth, while significant, pale next to that.

What I really would like is for there to be a true, good, faithful Anglican church in my vicinity. I won't get into the details, but that hasn't happened yet. And now, as you can see, the whole Anglican Communion is in jeopardy.

All I know is, I will NOT have lies about basic Christian morality and Scripture fed to my kids, nor will I have them indoctrinated into accepting sexual perversion as normal and Godly. I will NOT allow them to be abused that way.

I wish you much providence in the tough decisions you have to make.

With much, much Christian love,

Essodalori

P.S. Anggrl - If you should take this provisional Catholic route - be very careful. Check out the backgrounds of priests and pastor very carefully. Check with orthodox Catholic friends and neighbors. They are going through sexual hell in that church, and the homosexual corruption is endemic in many areas. DO NOT TRUST JUST ANY PRIEST. Thousands of parents already made that mistake.

Yeah, sodomy acceptance, that's what Steve calls "love". Steve belongs to a local church that "loves" it's congregants by accepting everyone (except believers with sound doctrine) and helping them preserve their delusions that homosex acts are A-OK. And don't talk too much about the Gospel of the saving and transforming power of Jesus Christ, cause that might make you think things are not A-OK, that you need to be saved, that you are not OK in and of yourself, and that would be really scary and humbleing. Besides, it feels so much better when we all decide to drive off the cliff together. Hey Jim Jones did it, why can't we? Just ignore those pesky scriptures - God didn't really write them, just ask Steve.

But wait Steve, who created you? Do you not bear the fingerprint of God? And does he not love you as a TRUE Father? And does he not desire great things for you? And did he not give us His word that He loves you so much that he would give His very life for you? And does He not love you so much that He would show you how to live the TRULY good life? (Hmmm. but if scripture is just made by man, than so is Steve, and so all those promises in scripture are empty, as is all that stuff about how to lead your life. The game is up, there is no God).

What to do... what to do...

But God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotton Son, that whoever believes in him shall not parish, but have eternal life.

It's really that simple. Jesus really did live, die and rise again. It's a historical fact. Go for it Steve!

In Christ,

SheepFeed

pie hole - steve??? you're telling the world that you are one. STOP THIS NONSENSE!!!!!!!

Johannes

Steve wrote:
As long as we're issuing calls, here's mine to Akinola: Mind your own business, and shut your pie hole. thank you.

Steve,
If you are so outraged, then why do you continue to post here?

Hey Stevie, "...Mind your own business and shut your pie hole"??? Now THAT is "inclusivity" at its finest! Way to go Stevie. I'm so glad you champion the cause of the revisionists, because it makes it so easy to see the flaws of their and your supposed logic. I guess we could say "Mind your own business" is the well-reasoned and carefully thought out response Mr. Griswold has given to the Anglican Communion. All of this, mind you, in the name of "inclusivity". Guess I'll have to look up the word "inclusivity" and read it in a "pluriform" manner, because the definition I read certainly doesn't include "Mind your own business and shut your pie hole."

Dear smokymtn, "read inclusivity in a pluriform manner"...Priceless

Blessings,

Johannes

Transfiguration Aug 6, Jesus didn't include 9 but He did include 3.

Esso, thanks for your answer. We are blessed with several ECUSAs that have orthodox rectors. There is one ECUSA in town that's very liberal, and I don't attend that one for obvious reasons. I've managed to find a parish that seems to be reasonably well run with a good, orthodox priest. So we're sticking with it for now. But I'm very bothered that any part of our pledge dollars are going to support ECUSA. At any rate, we are so fed up with church that we attend sporadically. My husband left the RCC in disgust years ago & doesn't have a big desire to return. I don't have a lot of respect for the RCC and have no desire to sit through their classes just so I can receive communion--and put money in THEIR collection plate that will be used to help pay off their lawsuits. I really don't have a desire to join up. So I put up with ECUSA but am tired of it all and am losing my desire to attend ANY church.

Esso,

You have gone overboard a bit, taking things to their extreme. It's not that bad!! (yet) As far as the local church (or our local church) is concerned this will make little difference. However, there are a lot of people in the CofE who are very unhappy with this Bishops' decision. There is a very thoughtful discussion made before the official announcement here:

http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/news/2005/20050723cpa.cfm

Andrew Goddard considers three ways the CofE could have responded to the legislation, and in effect plumps for the same one as ABP Akinola but not in a clear and decisive way. He does raise quite a few points, such as:

It ignores the government's statement that refusal of sexual activity may, in law, count as 'unreasonable behaviour'"

So, as the Bishops try to steer close to the legal wind on this Act, they capsize.

This is all very depressing. I can only see the CofE fragmenting. There may be four parts:
- genuinely orthodox Anglo-catholic (FIF?)
- genuinely orthodox Evangelical e.g. Reform
- Evangelicals in favour of women Bishops and clergy but orthodox on sexual matters - Fulcrum
- the rest, to whom anything goes - well quite a lot anyway. Affirming Catholics etc.

I wonder what others think.

What worries me is where my church ends up.

birdsong

"Esso, You have gone overboard a bit, taking things to their extreme."

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Yeah, birdsong, probably. But I doubt that I'm that far off the mark.

Here's how the game is played: Some sort or type of sin or unChristian belief is allowed. Everyone gets up in arms, but in the end nothing is done. Everyone becomes used to it. Everyone pats everyone else on the back for being 'enlightened' and 'progressive' and 'flexible.' Next, more sin, and more wrong teaching is allowed. Over and over and over. Oh, and in this game - 'thoughtful discussions' rarely if ever have any real effect whatsoever. They are just cast aside.

That's how ECUSA became a church where homosodomy is a virtue, where baby-murder is celebrated, where divorce is AOK, where odes are written by high church officials to 'crotch perfume,' where pictures of the Virgin Mary with blood coming from her private parts are put on display in St. John the Divine's, and where 'bishops' deny the divinity of Christ.

The CoE, I assure you, is on that merry and sordid path. Since no one is going to put a stop to the acceptance and glorification of homosodomy, it will become normalized in your church. Once that's done, all sorts of sexual sin will become normalized. Once that's done, the Bible will be trashed and trod on. And so on.

In short, unless real lines in the sand are drawn, there will end up being no lines.

It NEVER works to make a little sin acceptable. As Jesus told us, we are called to 'be perfect.' Decades ago, you needed a brave teenager to put his finger in the dike. Now you need an engineering consortium to push the sea back.

Yes, I think the CoE will fragment.

Stay with the piece, birdsong, that is true.

With much Christian love,

Essodalori

"So I put up with ECUSA but am tired of it all and am losing my desire to attend ANY church."

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Hey Anggrl -

I feel your pain (and believe me, I really do).

Many of us are now, well, refugees.

My strong suggestion, however, is not to give up going to church. It's part and parcel of keeping the Sabbath holy. It's good for us; we are meant to go.

And indeed, Christ's church, in the broad sense, is the sum of all true believers in the world.

So pick any good and true church, even if it be foreign to you - a Pentecostal church, or a non-denonminational church, and so on. Pick a church where people really do strive to become more like Christ.

It won't be your home. You will be its guest. But you will still part of Christ's great church on this earth.

Have faith. God will sort this out.

With much Christian love,

Essodalori

Anggrl...(Air National Guard???)...go find the nearest Catholic parish; you'll hardly notice the difference, Anglicans being English Catholics, after all. The only thing unfamiliar will be the hymns (which generally are not the greatest...). Meanwhile, you can work on setting up a new Anglican parish, like we did here in Oklahoma City. It can be done, just takes the will to do it! Good Luck! Oh, one other thing...they split off the last sentence of the Our Father, saying it after a short statement from the priest...don't get "caught"!

"So pick any good and true church, even if it be foreign to you - a Pentecostal church..."

Pentecostal ??? esso', come on you're kidding? Pentecostal church has major problems with Jews and Old Testament, right? Methodists are further down gay lane than ecusa, right? Which one of the Luthers are right on the butt of ecusa? It seems to be hard to find a good and true church...
"foreign" seems to mean Greek or Roman and Baptist seems to be even more "foreign".

Where two or three gather in Jesus's name may be the only choice for some.

Grace, Blessings and for me an extra helping of Mercy

"Oh, one other thing...they split off the last sentence of the Our Father, saying it after a short statement from the priest...don't get "caught"! "

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Hey mcb123 -

Week after week after week - that was me! My wife now squeezes my hand half way through the prayer.

And Gregory man!

Any church that reveres and trusts Scripture and whose laity entrust itself to Christ is better than no church at all. Yeah?

With much Christian love,

Essodalori

As for joining up with the Catholics, UGH. NO WAY. I homeschooled our daughter rather than send her to Catholic schools. (and I wasn't that excited about h-schooling) I absolutely CANNOT deal with the RCC. I've wondered if I'm called to help set up a continuing church, but I don't know where to start. I also am not so sure if I have the energy to do it. I got VERY burned out in our last parish. As for the suggestion about the Our Father at the Catholic Church, I know as I've attended Catholic churches on a # of occasions because all of my in-laws are RC. My dh is Cajun so RC goes with the territory.

"Any church that reveres and trusts Scripture and whose laity entrust itself to Christ is better than no church at all. Yeah?"

oh that is the million dollar question. i have always believed what you posted... so i agree and say Yes and we have to listen and decide is it Christ's voice we hear. i believe a church always has some True believers in it. And that God will put us where He wants us... if we cooperate... sorta like Jonah in the old days.
Entrust ourselves to Christ is always the best way.


i'd say He wants you in church with your wife and children.

Alleluia!

"I've wondered if I'm called to help set up a continuing church, but I don't know where to start."

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Hey Anggrl,

See if you can find some others who share that purpose. Then simply all of you enjoy working at it, day-by-day, a little at a time. Don't set artificial deadlines. Never make it a chore. Maybe just start out with Sunday morning Bible readings in different homes. Then see if you can find an orthodox Anglican priest to preside once in a while, or to bless you all. Eventually you will have a priest. Invite others. Just make it sort of a good and worthy mission. Pray. And stuff will start happening!

With much Christian love,

Essodalori

"sorta like Jonah in the old days"

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Right on, gregory man.

It is our fear that so often paralyzes us.

With much Christian love!

Esso

gregory wrote:
Methodists are further down gay lane than ecusa, right?

Careful, Gregory. While the Methodists certainly have their fair share of revisionists, and certainly have their own Jack Spongs and rogue bishops, they are not "further down gay lane." For example, the Confessing Movement of the UMC and Good News folk are quite vigorous and outspoken against revisionism and it is possible to find quite orthodox congregations inside the UMC. I good place to start is to visit the Confessing Movement's website to find local congregations. I know cuz I was one for over 50 years.

Every blessing to you.

ihs_too, "further down gay lane" ROTFLOL

Poster: ihs_too Posted: 2005/8/6 15:15:40

""Careful, Gregory. While the Methodists certainly have their fair share of revisionists, and certainly have their own Jack Spongs and rogue bishops, they are not "further down gay lane." For example, the Confessing Movement of the UMC and Good News folk are quite vigorous and outspoken against revisionism ...""

ihs_too, Thank you for providing this info, i stand corrected and surely do not want to offend those folks doing the right fight.

i believe i found the site you mentioned:
http://www.confessingumc.org/index.htm

Peace of Christ

Dear friends,

Another thing one can do is to bombard people, yea verily one's HoB collectively, one's bishop and one's parish priest, with sound material. While there's life there's hope!

Ever-loving,
Prisca

http://www.nwnet.org/~prisca/Spirit&Sex.htm

Wouldn't "starting" a "continuing" church be an oxymoron?


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Poster: Anggrl Posted: 2005/8/6 10:56:34
I've wondered if I'm called to help set up a continuing church, but I don't know where to start.

I admit to being a little disappointed by this statement by bishop Pete. There is not a single scripture quote in it. Now Pete may be a fine fellow, but God, he's not. It is much more impressive when he puts in a good Bible quote or two. Maybe next time.

Finally, a rare moment of truth from steve. True, Akinola isn't God. He never was or is or ever will be. There is only The Triune Living God. However, I guess that steve fancies himself as being god of the revisionistas. GO FOR IT, DUDE.