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As Eye See It : The Episcopal Church Self-Destructs over Homosexuality
Posted by David Virtue on 2005/7/14 16:10:00 (3168 reads)

The Episcopal Church Self-Destructs over Homosexuality

Episcopalians Defend the Consecration of a "Gay" Bishop

By Allan Dobras

The Episcopal Church has been flirting with a disastrous schism for the last thirty-five years, and now a formal breakup seems inevitable following an unapologetic June 17–22, 2005, appearance before the Anglican Consultative Council (ACC) in Nottingham, England. The purpose of the meeting was to hear the church's defense of its consecration of "gay" Bishop V. Gene Robinson.

Over the years, the denomination continued to hang together as it blundered through several divisive issues while causing its rolls to plummet by about 1.3 million congregants, or nearly 40 percent of its membership. Remarkably, the church had managed to survive clergymen like Bishop John S. Spong, who institutionalized heretical teachings in the denomination, the failed heresy trial of Rt. Reverend Walter Righter, who opened the church to the ordination of homosexual deacons, and the church's persistent embroilment in leftist politics.

Now, ramifications from the consecration of Bishop V. Gene Robinson are sending shockwaves through the Anglican community, and the denomination is on the brink of imploding. The June 2003 election of Rt. Reverend Robinson to the office of bishop was the final straw for the traditionalist-minded American Anglican Council (AAC) and a number of conservative prelates-primarily from Africa-who put pressure on the Worldwide Anglican Communion to respond to what they thought to be contrary to church doctrine.

As a result, in October of 2003, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, established a commission to look at life in the Anglican Communion in the light of recent events-at the time, the imminent consecration of the Reverend Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire and the decision to authorize a service for use in connection with same-sex unions in the Diocese of New Westminster, Canada.

The commission was tasked by the archbishop to "offer advice on finding a way through the situation which currently threatens to divide the Communion." After studying the matter for several months, the commission issued its final report (The Windsor Report) on October 28, 2004, which called upon the Episcopal Church (USA) to:

* Express its regret that the proper constraints of the bonds of affection were breached in the events surrounding the election and consecration of a bishop for the See of New Hampshire. * Pending such expression of regret, those who took part as consecrators of Gene Robinson should be invited to consider in all conscience whether they should withdraw from representative functions in the Anglican Communion. * Effect a moratorium on the election and consent to the consecration of any candidate to the episcopate who is living in a same-gender union until some new consensus in the Anglican Communion emerges.

The commission also called for a moratorium of Rites of Blessing of same-sex unions and recommended that bishops who have authorized such rites in the United States and Canada be invited to express regret that the proper constraints of the bonds of affection were breached by such authorization.

Conservative primates of the Anglican Communion gathered in February 2005 at Newry, in Northern Ireland, at the invitation of the Archbishop of Canterbury to consider the recommendations of the Windsor Report. The primates endorsed the report and encouraged the Anglican Consultative Council to "organize a hearing at its meeting in Nottingham, England, in June 2005 at which representatives of the Episcopal Church (USA) and the Anglican Church of Canada, invited for that specific purpose, may have an opportunity to set out the thinking behind the recent actions of their Provinces."

The Episcopal Church (USA) Responds

During the week of June 20, 2005, representatives of the Episcopal Church (USA) met with the Anglican Consultative Council in Nottingham, England, and presented their response to the Windsor Report in a 135-page document titled "To Set Our Hope On Christ," which was long on superlatives, but devoid of either regret or repentance. In substance, the response was little more than a repeat of the unsubstantiated junk science claims that homosexuality is inborn and unchangeable and the discredited revisionist theology that denies the validity of the biblical record concerning homosexuality.

In a hopelessly convoluted reply to the specific recommendations of the Windsor Report, the American church dismissed the call to express "regret" for their actions or to respect a "moratorium" on the consecration of any additional clergy involved in a same-sex relationship:

* At the present time part of the Church believes that it recognizes members of same-sex affection who are living Christ-like lives of generous self-donation, costly witness, and courageous acts of discipleship in conformity with the pattern Christ establishes for us. And this part of the Church is calling the rest to "come and see" if this isn't in fact the work of the Holy Spirit. . . . "We believe that God takes our differences, which the world would wickedly harden into divisions, and embraces them by the power of Christ and the Spirit within those blessed differences-in-relation of the Divine Persons . . . " * "The experience of the Church as it is lived in different places has something to contribute to the discernment of the mind of Christ for the Church. No one culture, no one period of history has a monopoly of insight into the truth of the Gospel. . . . We wish most deeply to express our loving concern for the good of the whole Church, especially for those Anglicans worldwide who are living in faithful, committed same-sex partnerships, and also for those Anglicans worldwide who do not see how such relationships can be open to God's blessing."

The Canadian Primate, Archbishop Hutchison, expressed regret over strained relationships that its actions have caused and agreed to a moratorium on dioceses authorizing same-sex blessings rites until the General Synod considers the matter.

On June 22, 2005, the Anglican Consultative Council, citing the standard of Christian teaching on matters of human sexuality expressed in the 1998 Lambeth Resolution 1.10, endorsed the Primates' request that "in order to recognize the integrity of all parties, the Episcopal Church (USA) and the Anglican Church of Canada voluntarily withdraw their members from the Anglican Consultative Council for the period leading up to the next Lambeth Conference."

Thus, the Episcopal Church (USA), like a person addicted to hard drugs, cannot give up its romance with homosexuality and instead acquiesced to the relatively mild and inconsequential censure implicit in the ACC request for "voluntary withdrawal" from the council.

The American Anglican Council Calls the EC (USA) Response "Blasphemous."

The reaction from the American Anglican Council (AAC) to the EC (USA) presentation was swift and blunt, calling their defense "shameless" and declaring it was "blasphemous to suggest that the Holy Spirit would lead any Christian to accept or embrace doctrine or behavior contradicted throughout the body of Scripture."

The AAC dismissed out of hand a claim by the church's emissaries that "God designed and created a percentage of the population to be gay." In a sharply worded rebuttal, the ACC said, "It is not established that same-sex attraction is innate [and] God cannot be understood as having created what His revealed Word defines as sinful."

In its concluding statement, the AAC ridiculed their call for "unity in disagreement," and saw only a church in deep distress: "The logical conclusion of [their] argument is that unity is more important than truth. . . . The Episcopal Church is fractured and bleeding; punitive actions against the orthodox abound; and trust has been broken over and over. Additionally, data provided by the Episcopal Church itself demonstrates a church in disarray with a significant number of churches and individuals leaving ECUSA and dioceses experiencing serious budgetary shortfalls. It is most unfortunate that many other bishops representing a radically different view were not included in this ECUSA team."

The EC (USA), having weathered many storms in the past that left it intact but drove its membership into mass exodus, appears to have finally reached the end of the road, and a major breakup of the denomination seems inevitable.

--Al Dobras is a freelance writer on religious and cultural issues and an electronics engineer. He lives in Springfield, Virginia.

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Anonymous
Posted: 2005/7/14 22:24  Updated: 2005/7/14 22:24
 What a Pantload of Propaganda
Nice rant. The facts are that a minority of Episcopalians can't stand the position of the majority. Not content to just carry on in their minority view, which they are welcome to do, and unable to ever muster a majority in their own church, they have now worn out their last resort, that of calling on outsiders to punish bad old ECUSA. ECUSA politely listened to the rantings, and patiently explained, for the umpteenth time, why we were following Christ, no matter how much it bothered the angry outsiders. The only "self destruction" is by this whiny minority, having failed to have the tail wag the dog. It's time to get over it and get on with things.
mathman
Posted: 2005/7/14 22:44  Updated: 2005/7/14 22:44
Home away from home
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From: Rockville, MD
Posts: 1064
 Re: The Episcopal Church Self-Destructs over Homosexuality
Fr_Steve has not contradicted any part of Mr. Dobras' posting.
Tell me, does a majority of the 60% remaining in ECUSA still count as a majority?
Apparently now the Anglican Consultative Council has been suborned by the stubborn minority in the United States. How did we do that?
Indeed, FS sounds more and more like the former Mayor of Washington, DC. "Get over it", he urged his critics. But then he went to jail.
To what standard does the ECUSA of FS adhere? Where is its creed? What is its belief system? To tell me TSOHOC is to make me giggle. TSOHOC is a preposterous tissue paper of poor schoarship and even poorer history.
So I put it to you, FS: does Might Make Right?
We have heard that argument before.
Fiona
Posted: 2005/7/14 23:10  Updated: 2005/7/14 23:10
Home away from home
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From: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 1071
 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
"Not content to just carry on in their minority view, which they are welcome to do, and unable to ever muster a majority in their own church, they have now worn out their last resort, that of calling on outsiders to punish bad old ECUSA."

Fr_Steve:
Since you are so fond of implying that the orthodox who remain in ECUSA are the MINORITY, how does it feel to be the MINORITY in the Anglican Communion?

Fiona
Caroll
Posted: 2005/7/14 23:19  Updated: 2005/7/14 23:19
Home away from home
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 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
The only rant I see here is the first comment on this thread. Reminds me of an out of control child who isn't happy with a situation and then only thing he/they can do is try to force the blame on the other child.

C
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/7/15 0:52  Updated: 2005/7/15 0:52
 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
Steve:

Can't you address the issues? Does the minority you speak of include the thousands that have been ethnically cleansed from ECUSA up til now?

If what the conservatives do offends you then you must be incensed at Bishop Smith and his putsch.

Thanks for the schism, Steve.

Don
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/7/15 2:35  Updated: 2005/7/15 2:35
 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
Thanks Fiona, good question. The answer is also a good object lesson. The truth is, I follow God, without a concern whether it meets with the approval of the wider Anglican Communion, the Pope, or any group of mere men. The Godliness of how these situations are dealt with is telling. In the larger Anglican Communion, ECUSA and the ACIC are the minority. And for holding their minority beliefs, the larger group is striving to kick them out, and will not even have Eucharist with them. Then you have ECUSA and the minority of so called orthodox. ECUSA with grace and love still communes with them, and there has been no move to kick them out. ECUSA has been patient through this now ridiculously long temper tantrum. Even now, they are welcome to stay, and we would love to have them. But as Episcopalians, they are expected to behave within Episcopal polity. It is disingenuous to stay in name only, only to inflict as much damage as possible. We've had enough of the terrorism.

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Poster: Fiona Posted: 2005/7/14 21:10:47

Fr_Steve:
Since you are so fond of implying that the orthodox who remain in ECUSA are the MINORITY, how does it feel to be the MINORITY in the Anglican Communion?

Fiona
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/7/15 2:42  Updated: 2005/7/15 2:42
 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
The Episcopal church is a democratically governed church, with the base of power in pews, the parishioners who elect delegates to conventions, and call the Rectors. Where the church stands on human sezuality has been clearly decided by the majority. Get over it, and move on. Or, if it is so blatently wrong, how about convincing a mere majority of your fellow church members? What's that? Even after all this, only perhaps 10% buy your position? I would give serious consideration as to why it is so un-compelling to the people in the pews. But I think the answer is obvious already.

Schism? Thank you, but you give me too much credit. I'm just following Jesus. He's the real leader of this movement. And he'd like you to come with us.

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Poster: Gander Posted: 2005/7/14 22:52:08

Steve:

Can't you address the issues? Does the minority you speak of include the thousands that have been ethnically cleansed from ECUSA up til now?
Thanks for the schism, Steve.

Don
esniii
Posted: 2005/7/15 12:03  Updated: 2005/7/15 12:03
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 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
Fr Steve - It seems to me YOU are being disingenuous when you say ECUSA are 'making no move to kick them out' one day after Bp. Smith's sneak attack on St. Mark's (CN).
If you say we are free to follow God 'without the approval of the wider Anglican Communion, the Pope, or any group of mere men,' why are Bp. Smith and the others insisting on Conservative parishes not having the same freedom?
You can't have it both ways, Fr. Steve - that's hypocrisy.
If my own personal Gospel is as good as God's Word, then there's no need to pay ministers or bishops to do the work for me - especially those who are positing a position I don't believe in.
Your logic leads us down the road to a Protestant splintering all the way down to individuals. Think about it - pray about it.
I'm not asking you to stop loving your fellow man - I'm asking you to think about what loving God really means.

God bless you.
essodalori
Posted: 2005/7/15 12:28  Updated: 2005/7/15 12:28
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 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
"I'm just following Jesus."

----

Would that be the Jesus who tells us that sexual immorality 'defiles' us, Steve?

With Christian love,

Essodalori
JimMcNeely
Posted: 2005/7/15 12:30  Updated: 2005/7/15 12:30
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 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
I must admit that the revisionists are people of faith...you must have it in order to believe the convoluted logic they promulgate.

The Episcopal Church has made a heretical decision to consecrate an openly practising homosexual man. Who says that? Why it just happens to be the same people that the Episcopal Church - by its constitution - is affiliated with - the Worldwide Anglican Communion. Now that organization - the Worldwide Anglican Communion - has decided that ECUSA's move was not a move of the Spirit, but rather a schismatic and heretical move that has brought unnecessary pain and division. Now that body - namely, the Worldwide Anglican Communion - has started excommunication proceedings against ECUSA because of its heresy.

ECUSA may choose to leave the Anglican Communion and "walk apart." That is ECUSA's position. But for them to insist that they are a part of the Anglican Communion is like me saying a divorced couple are still married...even thought the nullity and legal divorce paperwork has been signed by the judge.

Steve and the rest of the communion may claim to be "following God", but the greatest part of Christ's Church says no.

I will stand with Christ's Church and send ECUSA off to follow their heresy with the Arians, Donatists, and Marcionites.
essodalori
Posted: 2005/7/15 12:37  Updated: 2005/7/15 12:50
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Joined: 2004/9/15
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 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
"I must admit that the revisionists are people of faith..."

---

Indeed, Jim.

Even atheists are people of faith - believing fervently (with no proof) that there is no God.

'Bishop' Spong is a 'man' of faith - believing fervently (with no proof) that Christ is not divine.

ECUSAns are now people who have faith that acts like homoanalfecal sodomy are good and Godly and to be promoted to our children (because they've decided to have faith in themselves on that). Problem is - God, Christ and the vast majority of people don't want homoanalfecal sodomy held out to their kids as Godly, good and right.

Faith by itself means nothing, until one knows what one has faith in!

With Christian love,

Essodalori
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/7/17 14:14  Updated: 2005/7/17 21:27
 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
"The Episcopal church is a democratically governed church, with the base of power in pews, the parishioners who elect delegates to conventions, and call the Rectors. Where the church stands on human sezuality has been clearly decided by the majority."
____

This is so obviously false as to be an outright lie. No one in my former parish cast a vote on this issue.

As for delegates, did they "run" on theses issues? No. Is/was there any discussion of these issues before the delegates were elected? No. Did their "constituents" know their delegates would vote on these issues? No. Did their "constituents" know where candidates stood on these issues? No. Were the delegates informed of their consituents' views? No. Were there contested elections? No. Are Bishops elected for fixed terms with limitations on their re-elections? No. Can Bishops thus be removed/recalled from office or replaced with ones who better reflect the views of their "consituents"? No. Can Bishops remove rectors called by Parishioners? Yes. Do they do this when the rectors represent the will of their Parishioners and that will contradicts their Bishops'? Yes. Did the ECUSA disregard the manifest will of the larger corporate body to which it ostensibly belonged and, in effect, secede from the "union" whose "constitution" was scripture? Yes. Is this supposed majority you sepak of, even were it proven to be a majority by anything resembling a democratic process, not, in fact, a majority of a minority? Yes. Is your statement tantamount to calling the machinations of Tamany Hall democratic? Yes. Is your statement entirely compatible with what the secessionists argued when they selfishly and willfully thwarted the will of the larger body to which they belonged and seceded? Yes.

ANYONE WHO SAYS THIS WAS A COURSE ARRIVED AT DEMOCRATICALLY IS MANIFESTLY A PROPAGANDIST. Let's have a vote, Steve! Let's include Christendom. Would YOU lose? Yes. We could even have one among present and former members of the ECUSA. Would your side lose? Yes, the Orthodox would win an authentic vote even if it was limited to those presently in, and those who have left, the ECUSA. You know the real reason why so many of them have left and will leave? It isn't merely the choice you and the revisionists made; it's that you were arrogant, condescending and megalomaniacal in your fascist grab for power. You thought nothing of the opposition--not in the ECUSA, the Anglican Communion, or the Catholic Church. For you, the ends justify the means. Typical sanctimonious, liberal fascism of the sort that's given us, through the courts, thirty million abortions that would never have happened if the democratic process had not been usurped by unrepresentative oligarchists.

If you call this a democratic process, Steve, you are either ignorant or a fascist who has no respect for what real democracy consists of. The ECUSA is not democratic; it's not even a representative democracy. This is back-room politics, a decadent monarchy masquerading as democracy in order to justify itself so you and yours can get your way. When it comes to democracy, you and the ECUSA's leaders are charlatans.
Pebble
Posted: 2005/7/18 1:11  Updated: 2005/7/18 1:11
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From: Clark County, Kingdom of Deseret
Posts: 157
 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
"It isn't merely the choice you and the revisionists made; it's that you were arrogant, condescending and megalomaniacal in your fascisct grab for power."

Bravo!
That's exactly how I experienced it within ECUSA, all the way down to the level of the faithful in the pews--the powers that be forcing their errors on the laity with the most vile, arrogant attitude imaginable. Needless to say, the stench got to be too much to bear for me, and I took myself, my faith, talents and money to a Christ-loving, Biblical church.
igregory2
Posted: 2005/7/18 11:09  Updated: 2005/7/18 11:09
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Posts: 223
 Re: What a Pantload of Propaganda
stoneridge, Very very good post that i copied and pasted to a Word document. Your answer is now ready for us to use when confronted.
Thankyouverymuch!

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