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Exclusives : NEW HAMPSHIRE: Bishop Robinson Implies Jesus Might Have Been Gay.
Posted by David Virtue on 2005/3/10 22:20:00 (12724 reads)

NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP IMPLIES JESUS MIGHT HAVE BEEN GAY

By David W. Virtue

WENHAM, MA (3/11/2005)--The homoerotic bishop of New Hampshire V. Gene Robinson told parishioners at Christ Church of Hamilton and Wenham that while Jesus was on this earth he was only in the company of men, his disciples, and referenced that Jesus talked about the "one he loved," implying that Jesus may have been a homosexual himself.

Speaking at a Lenten service on "Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?" Robinson pleaded for his hearers to accept his homosexuality and asked, "Who could know Jesus?" and therefore we should accept him [Robinson]. "Jesus was not terribly mainstream."

"The sooner we get away from labels like gay and straight and that dualism...the truth is there are as many sexualities, plural, as there are sexualities in the world. There are as many sexualities as there are human beings," he told his listeners. "Labels are not helpful."

Robinson said there were an enormous variety of sexualities. "What matters to me is mutual non-exploitative sex, love of self and love of neighbor. It is about hearts not body parts. We must have infinite respect for one another and radical respect for the world."

Asked by a parishioner how we teach people about sexuality with the Bible saying that marriage is a sacrament between a man and a woman, furthermore what was the basis for adding on new sexualities, Robinson said, "it is a big question; it is whether or not sex is God's gift or a Pandora's Box? Is it a blessing or a curse?"

Physical intimacy outside of a trustworthy relationship is madness, dangerous and wrong, he said.

Robinson said the message conveyed to most people was that 'sex is dirty save it for someone you love'. "I believe in abstinence before marriage or outside in a committed relationship. Our nakedness is a metaphor for how vulnerable we are. The church's teaching of sex outside of marriage is that you will be hurt unless there is a vulnerability or proven trustworthiness over time. We must respect the dignity of every human being. Marriage is a sacrament, a place where God can show up."

Questioned on how we distinguish between the church and world's view of sexuality and the enormous destruction it caused flowing from the 60s experimentation of our children with anything goes...as long as we love each other, Robinson explained that not anything goes. "We need to demonstrate real love. The world knows that the church practices serial monogamy. We need to walk the talk. What are not right are brief encounters. I don't hear anybody preaching for promiscuity."

"My daughter wound up living with someone before marrying him. What I tried to do was keep an open conversation going with her and I had the opportunity to talk with her. I did not approve of anything goes, but nothing she did could separate my love for her. I don't think setting down rules is helpful. I gave her an 'I' statement about what has been hurtful for me."

When asked how one could tell the difference between the ministry of the Holy Spirit and the authority of Holy Scripture or Malcolm's repressed desires, even leaving aside the seven Scriptures that speak against homosexuality or pleading subjectivism, Robinson said the key was community.

"No one of us can hear the voice of the Holy Spirit; it must be tested by the community. No one should be absolutely convinced that they know the will of God. We do the best we can to discern God's voice. Let's see if it bears fruit. Right now we are hearing different things. I believe [Archbishop] Akinola and I will be in heaven together. We may be apart here [on earth]. He is following the journey as far as he knows how and as I know how. We are going to be in heaven together, God won't have it any other way. We need some patience while we figure this out. We are each being as faithful as we can muster."

Pushed about how we knew whether we were being lead by the Holy Spirit or our own egos, Robinson said the key was "community."

Questioned about why the worldwide Anglican Communion based its teaching on Scripture, and can we set aside the teachings of the church as it has been handed down for new untested knowledge, Robinson said sexual orientation was determined by age 3 certainly well before it is a chosen orientation. It is a given; the lives of gays and lesbians are the new evidence for that. Look at the pain they have suffered at the hands of the church. He said gays and lesbians were jumping off buildings because nobody understood them.

When asked what new knowledge he possessed and what was his source of his authority that a homosexual relationship can be blessed and have we reached a parting of the ways, Robinson replied by asking how many of his listeners had been divorced and remarried. "The seven biblical texts do not apply to the contemporary issue today. We must separate civil rights from religious rites. Marriage is a civil right, and there is marriage as a religious rite.

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Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?

by V. Gene Robinson
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warmac9999
Posted: 2005/3/11 22:46  Updated: 2005/3/11 22:46
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP IMPLIES JESUS MIGHT HAVE BEEN GAY
Let's see. Jesus might have been a homosexual. Well, then why not speculate that Jesus might have been a NAZI. I am sure that we can come up with someone who can make that case. Oh, I know, he like Hitler are jews that hate themselves. Robinson: A sick man in the sick leadership of a sick church no longer in communion with the Christian faith.
JamesH
Posted: 2005/3/11 22:47  Updated: 2005/3/11 22:47
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP IMPLIES JESUS MIGHT HAVE BEEN GAY
This story, as written, is an embarrassment to the church that I am a member of.

Is there no limit to the depths this man will sink to?

OtisPage
Posted: 2005/3/11 23:05  Updated: 2005/3/11 23:05
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP IMPLIES JESUS MIGHT HAVE BEEN GAY
Robinson’s allegation that Christ was Gay is a lie from the pit of hell. Robinson and his fellow bisexuals rationalize an outrage to convict children and adults that his betrayal of his wife and family, his betrayal of God, is not a betrayal but am act condoned by God. There is not one single authority in Scripture or in commentaries on Scripture that justifies this lie. Where there is substantial authority in Scripture that proves Robinson has been thrown over to himself as a function of his denial of God (Rom 1:18-32), that promiscuous sex is sinful, that people like Robinson are “people of the lie.”
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/3/11 23:10  Updated: 2005/3/11 23:24
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VGR said:
"No one of us can hear the voice of the Holy Spirit; it must be tested by the community...Let's see if it bears fruit."

What about the Dromantine Communique? Seems to me like that was the voice of the community but apparently the broader Anglican communion, not to mention the Communion of Saints, must be mistaken. Perhaps Vickie the Delusional has another community in mind.

As for bearing fruit, ECUSA and all the other revisionist mainlines are dying. THAT is the fruit they bear!! VGR gets it right for once!

[VGR] said gays and lesbians were jumping off buildings because nobody understood them.

I don't understand this guy at all. Does that mean he's going to jump off a building?
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/3/11 23:22  Updated: 2005/3/11 23:23
 NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP WHACKO
Robinson said there were an enormous variety of sexualities. "What matters to me is mutual non-exploitative sex, love of self and love of neighbor. It is about hearts not body parts. We must have infinite respect for one another and radical respect for the world."

The only variety of sexuality (whatever that means) that counts is the binary nature of one man and one woman in the context of marriage. Genesis proclaimed it, both OT and NT echo it, and Jesus confirmed it. All else is sin. We'll still love the sinner but not the sin.

Vickie, your arrogance is astonishing.
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Posted: 2005/3/11 23:36  Updated: 2005/3/11 23:36
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Quote:
The homoerotic bishop of New Hampshire V. Gene Robinson told parishioners at Christ Church of Hamilton and Wenham that while Jesus was on this earth he was only in the company of men, his disciples, and referenced that Jesus talked about the "one he loved," implying that Jesus may have been a homosexual himself.


Not only is Gay Gene a flaming pervert, he is also a biblical illiterate. Has he never heard of Mary, Martha, and Mary Magdalene? Also, Jesus never "talked about the 'one he loved.'" John refers to "the disciple whom Jesus loved" several times (probably referring to himself), but there is no sexual connotation whatsoever. In fact, when Jesus mentions love in John's Gospel, it is in the context of sacrifice: "Greater love has no one than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Quote:
Speaking at a Lenten service on "Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?" Robinson pleaded for his hearers to accept his homosexuality and asked, "Who could know Jesus?" and therefore we should accept him [Robinson]. "Jesus was not terribly mainstream."


A man who has to plead for acceptance in public is not a well man.
frcochran
Posted: 2005/3/11 23:46  Updated: 2005/3/11 23:49
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP WHACKO
Besides committing the despicable act of blasphemy (insinuating Christ was a homosexual). This guy continually insists on outing his daughter as a pre-marital fornicator. When is this girl going to tell dad to shut the hell up and stop exploiting her fornication.

Then to top it off, just look what the guy says about his daughters pre-marital relationship. He personifies the ECUSA, what he mistakenly calls love is in reality enabling of sinful behaviour. Does he not love his daughter enough to guide her in the steps of Christ (if VGR in fact has a clue as to what that is), or is he just afraid that he might create confrontation with her in which a big argument results and she says, "Who are you to tell me anything about sexual morality...DAD?"

This guy talking about sexual morality within a Christian context is like listening to David Duke talk about him being for affirmative action.

Can these people ever stop talking about their genitalia?


John+
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/3/12 0:20  Updated: 2005/3/12 0:20
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Sounds to me like "I AM Gene" was raised in a Hippy commune. I knew some people who had spent time in those - they sounded just like "I AM Gene".

Is he saying that Jesus MIGHT have been perverted?

Don
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Posted: 2005/3/12 0:38  Updated: 2005/3/12 0:38
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Gene Robinson is the gift that keeps on giving. Send this one to every primate that has an e-mail address.

I used to think these folks were just run of the mill misguided. Now I'm starting to think they are being guided by evil.

And of course the divorce hammer comes out, and rightly so. It is a dangerous thing to contradict our Lord. It always comes back to hit you before the end.
Kennjon
Posted: 2005/3/12 1:59  Updated: 2005/3/12 1:59
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Now he's finally done it, hasn't he? Why in God's name does even the likes of Griswold tolerate this wacko? I'd show this article to my friends, only they'd do belly-laughs.......it's so absurd of VGR to make such an outrageous statement!
ENeedham
Posted: 2005/3/12 2:28  Updated: 2005/3/12 2:28
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP IMPLIES JESUS MIGHT HAVE BEEN GAY
The man has done it! I knew he would! He sickens me, he makes me physically ill. He is shamefull and should be defrocked ASAP. Anyone associated with him should (must) be completely mortified by these statements, claims and his behavior. And as for his daughter, speaking about her private life for all the public to know!!! What is he thinking? What a betrayal = Judas!
anamchara
Posted: 2005/3/12 3:09  Updated: 2005/3/12 21:20
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Quote:
Robinson said there were an enormous variety of sexualities. "What matters to me is mutual non-exploitative sex, love of self and love of neighbor


You all have missed the key problem with Vickie Gene's theology. Yeah, his sexual confusion might be repulsive, but that's only a symptom. The key is right there in the quote above. "What matters is . . .love of self" That's it in a nutshell. Until Vickie Gene takes himself off the alter, nothing else he does matters, least of all who keeps him warm at night.

Kamilla
frcochran
Posted: 2005/3/12 4:17  Updated: 2005/3/12 4:17
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Kamilla,

Great analysis. VGR is in love with self more than with God, His Laws, and His will.

John+

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I'm not liking this new look, too much landscape and not enough portrait.
Jacqueline
Posted: 2005/3/12 5:10  Updated: 2005/3/12 5:13
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP IMPLIES JESUS MIGHT HAVE BEEN GAY
The shortest verse in Scripture would sum up what God must be feeling about the deliberate twisted misuse of Holy Scripture by VGR for his own personal agenda - "Jesus wept".

Gene Robinson has certainly proven to be no Biblical scholar. Anyone who is in an ongoing Bible Study program can see through his misguided attempts to lead God's people astray.

But VGR has been very adept at that all along. During his time of campaigning for Bishop in NH he promised that he wanted only to be Bishop and that his agenda was not about being gay. Since his consecration it has only been about being gay. He teaches it to the youth and the NH youth are uncomfortable with him and his teachings as are their parents.

Now his latest teaching about Jesus and the implication that the Son of God was homosexual goes beyond the wildest interpretation twist anyone could possibly have dreamed up. As I said, Gene Robinson is certainly no Biblical Scholar. The original language and words used for love in the NT - "agape" referred to a non physical love, not the "epithumia" or lustful sexual activity kind of love. Those are the very distinctions that are made in the NT that are found in studying and a Priest would know and a "Bishop" most certainly should know. Again misusing and twisting words is not acceptable use of God's Holy Scripture.


To hear him say all is well and he is accepted in NH is not accurate. We live here and are forming new Anglican churches within the ACN to worship in God's Truth.


We have been persecuted and hounded in NH and we have stood firm in Christ. But we are not alone. This is happening all across America and Canada. Persecuted for being true to Holy Scripture - who would have believed it? And that is THE issue - Scriptural authority no matter what smoke screens are thrown up along the way.

We are grateful to the Primates for their brave and vocal stand for the Gospel as it was written and not "revised for modern times". These are brave and dedicated men who are paying dearly in their home countries by going without food and basic nessecities as their persecution. Death has come due to starvation and disease because of lack of money and funding. Our price has been small in comparison. Praye for them.

God really did know what He was doing at the beginning and He still does today. Praise Him for that and for the call to serve Him in love and in Truth today and that privelege.

We are not called to hate any group or person!!!! We are called to love God and our neighbors and even our enemies, whomever they may be. We are to be the loving light of the Gospel in a world that doesn't know the Light. So remember that we are called to love the sinner while we are teaching them to repent and turn from the sin that separates them from God.

So pray for each of us and for each other- that we listen for God's guidance as we move forward in His calling; that we continue to pray for our enemies as He commands; and that we put God first before anything or anyone in our lives as we consider our goals and actions. That we always remain true to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit and not lose our focus.



For those who would like to hear the words spoken by VGR referred to in this discussion, they may be accessed at: http://www.christchurchhw.org/
Joe of the Mountain
Posted: 2005/3/12 5:14  Updated: 2005/3/12 5:14
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The new look is just an HTML coding error; the page has a defined width too large for a 1024x768 pixel screen.

As for VGR: "self love" is it indeed. Vickie hates himself, and that is why he needs affirmation from the whole world. There is also a theory that self-hatred is the motivation behind typcially queer narcissism... an attempt to heal a wounded soul through excessive fawning over one's self.

This dude should just be sued. Sued in court for the emotional distress of being a flaming embarassment.

Oh and by the way: since when does Love demand Sex? Let me tell you: I've got two brothers by blood and a fraternity brother who has been practically adopted into my family. Not for one millionth of one second hae I had that urge toward them. Yet I trust them all with my life--and they have more than once had my life in thier hands. What Vickie-Gene the pervert is doing to fraternal love is as evil as what he's done to try to undermine the Gospel.

But, being one of his kind today means AIDS and a host of other deadly diseases. As Jesus himself has observed in such cases, "Surely he has his reward."

Vickie: Don't say we didn't warn you.
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/3/12 8:09  Updated: 2005/3/12 8:09
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joeames I agree with you totally - this man (?) needs affirmation from the whole world. He is a real EVIL individual. And I think you are all stuck with him.
Greidinger
Posted: 2005/3/12 16:25  Updated: 2005/3/12 16:25
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Seems to me, this blows the Duh Vinchy Code right out of the water. According to most LGBT's there's no such thing as an Ex GAY..... So how come he got over "being gay", he married (according to Dale Brown) Mary M. and had a bunch of children?

Just wondering..........?????????
stmike
Posted: 2005/3/12 16:59  Updated: 2005/3/12 16:59
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Bishops Robinson and Spong's comments these days just remind us that worldly thinking and heresy are still with us. The Modernists think that they know more about human nature and how to find fulfilment than is revealed in Holy Scripture and upheld by the saints for two thousand years. Christ's Church continues to welcome all people, and it acknowledges that all people are tempted by sin. That is alright, we lovingly invite all people to draw closer to our Savior, repent of their sins, and enjoy a richer spiritual life. The problem arises when heretics say that we can stop repenting of our sins. This is cruelty to the sinner. In love we encourage all to grow spiritually. The Modernists have gained control of the leadership of the the Episcopal Church. Their Modernist ideas have been tested and rejected by the community (the leaders of the Anglican Communion meeting in Ireland, the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, faithful Evangelicals, etc.). The Bishop of New Hampshire not only provides his heretical ideas to the people of NH, but to the people of Hamilton, Massachusetts. What are we to do now? Appoint another study committee? We in the Anglican Church in America (part of the Traditional Anglican Communion) are forming faithful parishes in New Hampshire and Massachusetts which are committed to Biblical authority and catholic practice. We already have a good number of parishes in NH, and recently St. John's was started to serve the Methuen area in Massachsetts and the southern towns around Salem, NH. We need to start up more. I have been appointed Canon Missioner for the ACA Diocese of the Northeast, and I would be glad to support those in NH and MA who would like to see an orthodox parish started up to serve their area. Just contact me at deanjr4@juno.com .
Yours in Christ's love, Fr. Dean Steward (603) 536-1794
JSamson
Posted: 2005/3/12 22:40  Updated: 2005/3/14 22:34
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I am from St. Paul's Church in Concord, New Hampshire, where Gene Robinson was elected and has spent some years.

I just spent about twenty minutes writing something to post, but it disappeared. Somehow I was no longer logged in. We will see if this makes it.
This will be shorter than what I just wrote. I suggest you listen to all of Gene Robinson's remarks at http://www.christchurchhw.org/ .

His plan to talk about his "salvation" turned into telling the story of his life. He has attracted many here, who see him as "courageous". I see something different. I see someone who was groomed for 18 years by former Bishop Theuner for this very post. He has been trying to be elected a bishop for some years and Bishop Theuner made it known after the Lambeth conference that the decisions would not hold sway here. Many, many gay and lesbian priests have come here, however, I also see that many have been seduced here. This even includes people in their seventies and older, who are trying out homosexual partners for the first time now.

A lying spirit put Gene Robinson in, but God was behind the lying spirit. There had to be a Judas to do what was needed, and there is going to be an antichrist. Much is told about the last days in scripture and the second coming of Jesus Christ. The readings in the Episcopal lectionary for weeks now have been Jeremiah and writings of Paul that talk about what is happening now.

Gene Robinson is not clever enough to be the antichrist, but he is a "test drive" of the "religion" of the antichrist. The surface issue is homosexuality, and this time it is going over with the world because of "civil rights" arguments (and Episcopalians pride themselves on their deference to issues like opening up marriage to "loving" couples of all types, and also to championing abortion). The voters were hand-picked and clergy's arms were twisted over a long time. If God is "doing a new thing", why doesn't everyone to whom God speaks "get it?" What you should get is the "new agey" version of "religion" that will keep evolving with less and less emphasis on Jesus Christ (and even God). The underlying teachings now are "universal salvation" and "pantheism", both of which make telling anyone the good news about Jesus Christ a non essential thing.

Everyone is already saved. No worry about giving your life and will over to Christ. Also no worry about sin, for all your sins of the past, present and future are already wiped away. Don't say to much about Jesus for lots of other religions, which are just as good, don't believe in Him. Let us not offend anyone, in fact, let us teach their religions (and do secular things) in our churches. Don't worry about reading your Bible or praying. The Bible was written by a bunch of old men who didn't know that homosexuality was the way thngs were for lots of people. It goes on.

This is not innocent. It is seductively and deceitfully planned to take away talk of Jesus and eventually even God. It is all about us. It is Satan and this is all predicted. This is the abomination that causes desolation standing in the temple. Take away Jesus, take away decisions to turn lives over to Jesus Christ and you take away hope. That is an abomination and it desolates the people. Jesus is our hope!

Gene Robinson recently has done away with the Episcopal flag and symbol. He said it was too "warlike". It did have a cross on it. No cross now. Just some stylyzed hands and a flame (supposedly the spirit), but it looks like some sixes to me.
We should all pray for discernment and pray and read our Bibles seeking wisdom and more of the Holy Spirit in our lives. Our churches are becoming places of death, as people are invited in for tea and crumpets and the fire that will destroy them is coming. I pray for the lost in the church today.

God bless and keep you all. Hope this comment makes it this time.
Your sister in Christ,
JoAnn Samson
P.S. I attend and am spiritually fed at the Anglican mission led by Father Steward, but I still work with Alpha at St. Paul's and pray for those dear people there.
MarkP
Posted: 2005/3/12 23:58  Updated: 2005/3/13 0:06
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"Seems to me, this blows the Duh Vinchy Code right out of the water."

I agree with you Greidinger, Now we're surposed to believe that Jesus is gay. Last year, we were surposed to believe that Mary Magdalene fled to the south of France (good choice of a location!) with Jesus' love child and Joseph of Arimathea. --I am getting too old to keep up, I guess I'll just have to settle for the Bible.
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/3/13 1:29  Updated: 2005/3/13 1:29
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You're right, MarkP. Revisionist "theology" (hmmmm...that word implies some knowledge of God...really doesn't suit what they do)...Anyway, revisionists simply play "can you top this." When I was in seminary in the 80s, Christianity was a made up Greek religion which betrayed the beautiful, earthy faith of the Jews. We were not to say anything bad about Judaism or any expression of it.

Now, of course, the seminary position is that Judaism is the oppressive source of Israel, and one can say bad things about that but not about Islam.

It was just a couple of years ago that some Australian "scholar" proved that Jesus was married. John Dominic Crossan told us that his body, after the Crucifixion, was buried in a shallow grave and eaten by dogs. Now he's gay. It is kinda like the weather up here where I live...give it 5 minutes and it will change.

Revisionism is neatly summarized by the (real) Prophets: But the wicked are like the tossing sea, which cannot rest, whose waves cast up mire and mud. Isaiah 57:20
frcharlie
Posted: 2005/3/13 3:56  Updated: 2005/3/13 3:57
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"For the time will come when they will not bear wholesome teaching, but will follow their own fancy and gather a crowd of teachers to tickle their ears. They will stop their ears to the truth and turn to mythology." 2 Timothy 4:3-4

Scripture knows.
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Posted: 2005/3/13 6:48  Updated: 2005/3/13 6:48
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As always, Scripture gives us appropriate guidance to this heresy. In Jude's letter, he says, "I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord."

When this man says that what matters to him is 'love of self' and that the key is 'community', he is admitting that his Sovereign and Lord is not Jesus Christ. And that, friends, is the crux of the problem.
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Posted: 2005/3/14 3:09  Updated: 2005/3/14 3:09
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Well, David definitely can get some interest in a hurry. I suggest all that are truly interested in this issue, go to http://www.christchurchhw.org/ and listne for yourself.

I don't really know what VGR mean't by his statements about Jesus' life, but he certainly does imply that both he and Jesus are not mainstream.

I would suggest you listen to the forums, especially discussion panel part 2. Also in VGR's general talk pt 2, he compares todays issue with a story of a pastor in France, not being able to bury a soldier in the Church Cemetery...so, later, when the soldiers came back, they could not find the headstone outside of the cemetary...when asked about the headstone missing, the pastor said he could not disobey the rule on burying non baptised person in the cemetery, but there were no rules on moving the fence...which allowed the grave to in the cemetery...this is precisely the problem....ECUSA is moving the FENCE!!!!

Pax Christi!

Xecusa
cajunhillb
Posted: 2005/3/14 14:00  Updated: 2005/3/14 14:00
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE: Bishop Robinson Implies Jesus Might Have
This is nothing but out and out blasphemy and this bishop should be defrocked!!! I am ashamed of the Episcopal Church USA for condoning this man and am seriously thinking of finding another church to attend. Any Reformed Episcopal or Charismatic Episcopal churches in or around Mesquite, TX?
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/3/14 17:56  Updated: 2005/3/14 17:56
 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE: Bishop Robinson Implies Jesus Might Have
JSamson wrote:
I suggest you listen to all of Gene Robinson's remarks at http://www.christchurchhw.org/ .

I just finished listening (and it was worth the time). What troubles me is what Robinson did NOT say. While I wholeheartedly agree with him that we must treat homosexuals with compassion and that the church's track record in doing so is far from exemplary, I did not hear him say anything about sin and repentence. For example, he mentioned the woman caught in adultery as an example of Christ's great love for sinners. Jesus DID show great mercy to the woman, as he does to all who confess their sins. However, Robinson conveniently omitted from the story the fact that after Jesus offered mercy to the woman he told her to go and sin no more, i.e., he told her to repent; he did NOT accept adultery as being OK. Therefore, is it not reasonable to conclude that because VGR is unrepentant over his homosexual behavior he only told half the punch line to the story? It is this kind of revisionist thinking that I find particularly idolatrous because it seeks to make the gospel into VGR's own image. When a bishop only tells half the story, there is no way he can be faithful to his role as shepherd of Christ's flock and that is truly scandalous.
db4him
Posted: 2005/3/14 21:10  Updated: 2005/3/14 21:10
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE: Bishop Robinson Implies Jesus Might Have
Physical intimacy outside of a trustworthy relationship is madness, dangerous and wrong, (Robinson) said.

And just what do you base this declaration on? Huh, VGR? You still don't get it, do you? Once you have denied the authority of scripture, you have no authority to make a statement such as this. Come to think of it, apart from scripture you really have no authority at all, do you?
essodalori
Posted: 2005/3/14 21:41  Updated: 2005/3/15 5:23
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP IMPLIES JESUS MIGHT HAVE BEEN GAY
"We must have infinite respect for one another and radical respect for the world."

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No. We are to love one another (not necessarily respect one another), and we are specifically told to not love the world...

With Christian love,

Essodalori
essodalori
Posted: 2005/3/15 4:57  Updated: 2005/3/15 4:57
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE: Bishop Robinson Implies Jesus Might Have
"This is the abomination that causes desolation standing in the temple."

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Yup. When Vickie Gene preaches that we're all a-goin' to heaven, and we cannot know where morality comes from (as he does in both instances), Satan's work is on the march.

Essodalori
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Posted: 2005/3/15 15:00  Updated: 2005/3/15 15:00
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE: Bishop Robinson Implies Jesus Might Have
'When asked what new knowledge he possessed and what was his source of his authority that a homosexual relationship can be blessed and have we reached a parting of the ways, Robinson replied by asking how many of his listeners had been divorced and remarried. "The seven biblical texts do not apply to the contemporary issue today. We must separate civil rights from religious rites. Marriage is a civil right, and there is marriage as a religious rite." ' Robinson also has a bad idea of social justice and how democracy relates to revolution. Marriage is a civil right, because it is legislated. But the source of governmental civil rights is our shared moral code, and perhaps the greatest basis of that code is the Holy Bible which he feels free to rewrite. I think that the "civil right" of marriage he proposes is actually far more closely related to Jefferson's classic, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." While I would not abridge Robinson's right to exercise his free will within the laws of the country, I certainly disagree that marriage for people of the same gender is even demonstrably a civil right. And I disagree even more that marriage between people of the same gender is a religious right. I think that religious rights, in particular, need to be based on the faith as we understand it through the Bible. I think the case is clear that Revisionists cannot justify their cause in the Bible, which is why they try so hard to denigrate and delegitimize the portions of it they wish to ignore. When an ordained person who has sworn to uphold the Bible does this, the layman's term is hypocrisy. We are surrounded by hypocrites and modern pharisees. God help us!
Bob37160
Posted: 2005/3/16 13:11  Updated: 2005/3/16 13:11
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 More from the pit of VGR......
I can't add much to the writings above. All seem to capture the problems inherent with VG's pleadings. When/if VGR and his compatriots quit preaching the gospel of social construct dejour, drop the syncretism, and return to Scripture all will be well.

Pax - Bob
faithful
Posted: 2005/3/17 14:52  Updated: 2005/3/17 14:52
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE BISHOP WHACKO
Robinson said there were an enormous variety of sexualities. "What matters to me is mutual non-exploitative sex, love of self and love of neighbor. It is about hearts not body parts. We must have infinite respect for one another and radical respect for the world."

So if I love a cow and the cow loves me it's OK...
I see...
So if I love a 9 year old and the 9 year old loves me, it's OK.....
I see...
So if I love 2 women and they both love me and each other, it's OK....
I see....
So if I love 2 women and 3 men and they all love me and love each other, then it's OK...
I see...
So if I love a serpent and the serpent loves me, it's OK . . .

Looks like that kind of logic is paving the way to Hell to me ...
Laytone
Posted: 2005/3/25 18:50  Updated: 2005/3/25 18:50
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE: Bishop Robinson Implies Jesus Might Have
And they call satan the great liar!!!

Hey Gene what about the part where Jesus Christ who knew no sin came into the world to save us from sin. That's right the sin of homosexuality is included. Or did that one wiggle off the cross?

All we hear from these people is "show us in the Bible where homosexual behavior is a sin." The answer is plain.

"Show us in the Bible where it is not".

If the revisionist plan is to rip the book in half and throw away the Old Testament, they will also have to do some creative carving on the New Testament as well. If that's the stance, wouldn't it be easier to just write your own book and call yourself God.

Oh, so that's it!
Nonesuch
Posted: 2005/4/7 16:44  Updated: 2005/4/7 16:44
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 Re: NEW HAMPSHIRE: Bishop Robinson Implies Jesus Might Have
Thank you, Jaqueline.

Vicky G's insinuations are not new to me. It feels so ridiculous to think that a Bishop of the Episcopal Church is making arguments that I first heard out of the mouth of an angsty preteen--arguments that I have also heard destroyed by other youth.

The only thing I have to add to your statements is that the staff and clergy of Christ Church have been getting hate mail from people on both sides of the gay marriage debate. I would like to point out, first of all, that neither the church nor its members claim to agree with what Gene said in his presentation. If you do visit Christ Church's website, I urge you not to be tempted to use the emails listed to show hatred.

Fr. Liias, in an interview on a local news station, said something close to this: 'People keep trying to remake Jesus in their own image, but what we should be doing instead is to remake ourselves in His image.' I think that's an issue very near and dear to the issues most of us have with certain parts of the Episcopal church--these parts seem to be more self-serving (or pop-culture-serving) than Christ-serving.


faithful--you're forgetting something. It can't just be "if I love a cow..." It has to be "If I love a cow, and I love myself, and the cow loves me, and the cow loves herself."



Laytone:
All we hear from these people is "show us in the Bible where homosexual behavior is a sin." The answer is plain.

Actually, I've been hearing more and more "The Bible's been mistranslated." Of course, some people have faith that God would help the translators and transcribers keep each version true to His original Word, but many believe that words have been mistranslated, or the "real issue" of a passage has been forgotten in order to condemn homosexuality.

I'm no Biblical scholar, though, so it seems to me more that they are trying to make the book say what they want it to say, rather than standing up for God's will.
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