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Columnists : Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
Posted by David Virtue on 2005/2/4 17:46:00 (1940 reads)

Not much Jesus, but a lot of green

By Wesley Pruden
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

WASHINGTON (2/4/2005)-- The preachers in England have fallen on hard times since they pretty much turned Jesus out of the church, but the archbishop of Canterbury has come up with a novel idea to make himself relevant: If you can't get 'em to church, get 'em to the greenhouse.

The churches of England -- the churches of the Church of England -- are going eco-friendly.

Dr. Rowan Williams wants his vicars to serve only organic bread and wine for holy communion, to urge parishioners to ride to service in car pools, recycle "waste products," and to sell only "fair trade products" at church fairs and Bingo suppers. Anglicans should consider the ethics of the High Streets and shopping malls.


If he can't save the world, the well-meaning archbishop has set out to save the planet, one weed at a time. He will outline his vision of a green world at a session of the General Synod of his church later this month.

The gospel of global warning, not the Gospel of the Good News, is the challenge with which he wants his church to confront Britain and, naturally, the United States. Organic brussels sprouts, not organic accompaniment to the mighty hymns to the faith, should be the first order of Sunday worship in the stately empty pews of England.

A "discussion document" has been distributed among the churches, and it deals with climate, not Christ, warning that the planet's climate is close to a tipping point. (Tipping points have suddenly become the vogue; only this week we heard our own pols speculate that the elections last Sunday were the tipping point in Iraq, whatever that may mean).

"The sudden changes that would occur in weather systems, the fertility of the soil, the water and the world of living creatures if this 'tipping point' were reached," the archbishop's discussion document warns, "would be devastating." Growth without limit "has to be curtailed."

The archbishop is an authority on no-growth; if it works for him, why not the world? The greening of what remains of the British state church is part of a fresh effort to shame America into stunting the nation's growth on behalf of the lazy buggers of the world, mostly Europeans. If the lazy buggers have a prayer of making themselves equals of the Americans, the Americans have to be brought down to size. Going green, to match the color of the envy of American prosperity and power, is the lazy-bugger recipe for an equality of shrunken expectations.

The archbishop's organic bread and communion wine accompanies the British offensive in behalf of the Kyoto Protocol, which a succession of presidents and a unanimous vote of the U.S. Senate consigned to irrelevance. But Kyoto, as disastrous as it would be if a president or the Congress should be so suicidal as to attempt to impose it on the American economy, does not go far enough.

"It has taken far too long to be ratified as each country fights for its own interests (the United States is notable among countries which have declined to sign)," the ecclesiastical discussion document goes on, and "its targets fall very far short of what is necessary."

The archbishop will ask the Synod to support a formula for reducing carbon emissions based on a nation's population, not its industrial strength. Such a formula would penalize the United States most of all, and work to the advantage of China and India, first and second in population size and among the very worst of the polluters.

So the game is afoot. Prime Minister Tony Blair, eager to restore his standing among the worthies of Europe, wants to put global warming atop the agenda of the G-8 group of rich nations. Only this week, the London Independent, the newspaper voice of the Little England that aspires to be even smaller, reported that global warming "experts" have come up with a timetable of distant doom that is every bit as precise as an airline or railroad timetable.

When the temperature climbs 3.6 degrees above the planet's temperatures prevalent before the Industrial Revolution, the arctic sea ice will melt and polar bears, walruses, the succulent karroo of the South African veldt and the flora of the Fynbos will suffer.

Or maybe not. Environmental fundamentalism has become the catechism of evangelical atheism, to be taken blindly on faith. Evelyn Waugh, the master of English satire, would surely regret abandoning the Anglicans if he were more than a handful of dust. He would never discard such a rich source of material for his rollicking scoops of earnest upper-class spoofery.

Wesley Pruden is editor in chief of The Times.

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essodalori
Posted: 2005/2/4 18:57  Updated: 2005/2/4 19:26
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
Onward Christian turnips...

The Archbishop is a lost cause. The society is awash in porno, families are breakin' apart all over the place, teen suicide is way up, drugs are pervasive, abortion is a form of birth control, Goth is taking over all the schools, homoanalfecal sodomy is glorified (by the church), and the Bible is being rewritten to suit selfish desires.

But that's OK... As long as our wine is made from organic grapes!

The man makes a mockery of Christianity...

Repent, for the kingdom of organic produce and industrial carbon emision control is at hand!!!

With Christian love,

Essodalori

P.S. Dear Lord, I sinned today. I ate an inorganic grape.
Anonymous
Posted: 2005/2/4 19:21  Updated: 2005/2/7 16:34
 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
The ECUSA is dead.

The Church of England is dead.

Let the dead bury the dead.
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
So they appointed an A of C did they ? Never hear much from him really. Funny this organic bread......my church used wafers.......I wonder what organic bread looks like...........and wine........well I personally think we should use wine from Israel but most of them use cheap red from supermarkets.

This might appeal in yuppieland but in northern England it would be laughed out...........frankly the C of E has bigger headaches than that - women bishops for instance.

Funny that The Pope even at 84 is a towering figure.......and that the Vatican could reach out and bring in a Polish Bishop to the inner sanctum in Rome..................meanwhile the See of Canterbury reaches out to Wales !!! The chance to have Nazir-Ali or to make Anglicanism more than a White Club was passed.......and the 1960s beatnik was selected
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
Well said, essodalori, stoneridge and Voyager!!! All of what they three of you have said is quite correct!!!

That Mr. Rowan Williams (the "Mr." I use deliberately as I openly despise him as a FALSE "archbishop" - he shouldn't even be a deacon or sub-deacon!!!!!) is obsessing with such IDIOTIC TRIVIALITIES as this instead of proper Christian doctrine, especially in the face of what hopefully under such circumstances will turn out to be the very last meeting of a DEAD, PUTREFYING, STINKING, utterly DESPICABLE HUSK of a FORMER "Anglican Communion", shows what he really thinks and who he really IS!!!! It's well past time that the dead bury their dead!!!!!

[NB, I'm NOT anti-environment or anti-environmentalist, but this kind of business is NOT for the church in this capacity compared to preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father!!!!]

It's my hope that all the "blarney" of Williams, Morgan, Eames, Holloway, Hutchinson, Griswold, Carnley and everybody else in the "liberal" ANTICHRISTIAN camp won't stop the true Christians from walking away from this corpse!!!!! Courage and prayers are needed for Akinola, Kolini, Malango, Gómez, Venables, Yong etc. to stick to their faith and deep-six it!!!!! LET'S ALL PRAY FOR THESE PEOPLE INSTEAD!!!!
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
OK, rzacher3,
I know what you're going to say.
I'll let you say it for me, as I know you get a lot more fun from it than I do.
Dale Adams
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
C'mon, Dale Adams, I'm sure you can see how insanely silly this is.

With much Christian love,

Essodalori
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 Pantheism the New Baal
Church gives earthly matters top priority

The General Synod of the Church of England will debate a Christian vision of a greener world at its forthcoming meeting in London on Thursday 17th February.

The debate coincides with the adoption of the Kyoto Protocol around the world.

In his foreword to the report Sharing God's Planet which accompanies the debate, the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams urges Christians to recognise their duty to celebrate and care for every part of God's creation.

"Receive the world that God has given", he writes of the importance of celebration. "Go for a walk. Get wet. Dig the earth."

In terms of the Christian's duty to the planet, Dr Williams stresses that for the Church of the 21st century, good ecology is not an optional extra but a matter of justice. It is therefore central to what it means to be a Christian.

The report has practical ideas for the local church to adopt at ground level, from recycling to car-pooling, and an education programme to promote this to churches is in place with government backing. (1)

But Sharing God's Planet also suggests that there's a spiritual dimension to be brought into Christian worship.

'Creation Care Prayers' and the use of natural materials in worship such as organic bread and wine are just some of the ideas suggested in the chapter "a practical Christian response"; ideas which the Archbishop commends in his foreword: "I have called upon our Church to undertake an ecological audit...such local, internal responses are vital."

If Synod approves the measures they will be passed to dioceses for approval and action across the Church of England.

Sharing God's Planet (ISBN 0 7151 4068 X) is published by Church House Publishing, priced £5.99, and is available from all Christian bookshops and Church House Bookshop, 31 Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BN, tel. 020-7898 1300, email bookshop@c-of-e.org.uk, or on the web at: www.chbookshop.co.uk (mail order available).

DEFRA's Environmental Action Fund is supporting the Conservation Foundation's programme of environmental education to churches and other faith groups.

The last such report for Synod's consideration was Christians and the Living Environment (1992).


For more information contact:
Peter Crumpler or Arun Kataria

Telephone: 020 7898 1326



www.cofe.anglican.org/about/gensynod/agendas/gs1558.pdf
daleadams
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
Well, Essodalori,
If that was your apology for Sasha's disgusting rant, it was even weaker than PB Griswold's regrets regarding the Windsor Report. But if that's the best I can get as a condemnation of Sasha's continual Satanic diatribes, I accept.
Dale/Mr. Clyde/Rodney
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
Hey Dale,

No, I was hoping you'd see how insanely silly the Archbishop is. Like I said, society is degrading all around us, and the bishop is worrying his little head about organic grapes.

As for Sasha, she's right. There's increasingly little that's Christian in the CoE, and its 'leadership' is husking it out.

(By the way, I feel guilty for writing on a computer made of plastic, which, though made from oil, is not biodegradable. Do you know where to get an biodegradable one? I wouldn't want his emminence to disapprove.

But, analfecal sodomy. That's good. (Oh, I get it. It's organic...)

With Christian love,

Essodalori
daleadams
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
Well, Esso,
I have to admit you *might* be right about Sasha being right. My glance hits a few italicized or capitalized or double-capitalized inaninities, vitriol, or obscurantism, and I grade the whole thing as "F" (for foolish fiddle-faddle) and pass it by.
I still read you, however, so your insistence on how wrong the ABC was made me re-read the piece (hatchet-job?) about him. I noticed most importantly that it was no ex cathedra dictum nor public parading of political correctness. As just an internal memo, the proposals are unexceptionable as good citizenship (a quality that went out after the fifties, and was definitively buried by Rush Limbaugh's histrionics).
Other than resolution by an imminent Second Coming (in which I happen to believe, but retain a moral imperative not the impose on other people as if it were indubitable), the MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM the world currently has to deal with is how we will maintain its continued livability. Kudos to Rowam Williams for taking his responsibilites seriously.
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
"Other than resolution by an imminent Second Coming (in which I happen to believe, but retain a moral imperative not the impose on other people as if it were indubitable), the MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM the world currently has to deal with is how we will maintain its continued livability. Kudos to Rowam Williams for taking his responsibilites seriously."

----

I dunno, Dale. It seems to me first that the second coming is indubitable, IF we are to believe Jesus Christ. (If we believe he is the Son of God, but don't believe him, aren't we just fools?)

And on the AoC. His primary responsibility is to save souls, by saving from sin - acting in the stead of Jesus. And something tells me that Christ, at the last supper, was not concerning himself with where or how the bread was baked, or the wine vinted. ("Send it back, I say, these are not the 'right' grapes...") Acutally, there was something far, far, far more important going on.

The Archbishop is one who could come into your house, where your daughter's getting an abortion, and your son is engaged in anal homosex with a boy down the block, and your marriage is breaking up - and then insist on talking to you about the right way to recycle your cereal box.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
The key word, Esso,
is "imminent"
If Jesus's Second Coming is yet to be delayed another 2,000 years, then our stewardship of this spaceship Earth is more relevant to us as a species than anything else. As individuals our *religious* relationship with our creator is primary, but this does not exempt us from our *moral* duty to do right by our neighbors. This seems to be a concept totally lost on you Bush Republicans who hypocritically attempt to square your Christianity with Jesus in the Gospels and with the Old Testament prophets.
Dale/Mr. Clyde
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
As it happened, Esso,
My reply above occurred before I noticed you also had a final paragraph insulting the ABC.
Had I noticed that before my reply above, I would have written you off as beneath contempt and unworthy of my feeble attempts to bring any sanity, morality, or compassionate religion into your world view.
Henceforth you are on my bad list unworthy of reply unless I see true repentance and fruits thereof.
Dale/Mr. Clyde
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
My first thought was Nero fiddling while the city of Rome burned. But after more thought, I realized that defending the earth's resources is never wrong, it just must be kept in perspective.

This earth will pass away (at least if you still believe THAT part of scripture), while men's eternal souls are passing into eternal damnation every second of every day. If the primary role Christ's Church here on earth is not pointing men toward eternal life, what is it? Being a socially and worldly conscience organization should serve only toward fulfilling the primary mission. When either of these become an end in themselves, the church no longer does what Christ intended and has made itself void.
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Repent of what, DaleAdams? Namin' the truth?

The truth is, in the view of many in ECUSA and the CoE, there's nothin' wrong or sinful about my having a divorce, or my son's having fecal homosex with a boy down the street.

But using 'inorganic' grapes for Communion... The evil! The evil!

The truth is - we are called to be good stewards of the earth.

But the Archbishop's primary task is to save souls. He's lettin' millions of souls slide downward to a horrific destination, while he knits his brow over grapes and bread.

And that's the truth.

With Christian love,

Essodalori
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Posted: 2005/2/7 16:53  Updated: 2005/2/7 16:59
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It seems to me that the church’s foremost objective should be saving souls, not saving the planet. Save the souls first and you may well save the planet. Save the planet first and you may well lose your souls.

Two passages that may support this proposition come from Luke and from Thomas:

“For whosoever would save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. For what is a man profited, if he gain the whole world, and lose or forfeit his own self? For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in his own glory, and the glory of the Father, and of the holy angels.”

“If those who lead you say to you, ‘See the kingdom is in the sky,’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fish will precede you. Rather the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty.”

I am curious re. what the rest of you think.
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
Adiaphora.
Adiaphora.
Whether an individual parish (Church) chooses to use elements to consecrate which are "organic" or not has GOT to be a matter of indifference. Whether such use is to be urged on ALL churches is truly straining at gnats and swallowing camels. What is the TOTAL cost of organic versus chemically-aided agriculture? Turns out this is not so easy to figure. True, there is wise and unwise agriculture. The Chesapeake Bay certainly suffers from the overuse of some chemicals.
But if the A of C has the time to concern himself with this level of minutiae, then what about Church Bulletins? Church mailings? What about Church Buildings? Should we continue to use pews, or go back to standing through the Service? Pews cost money, as do kneelers. Should we continue heating our Churches, or go back to heatless cathedrals? Or should we simply meet in open fields? Should we waste money on amplification? Jesus apparently did not need amplification. Should we continue to dress up for Church, or attend in casual clothing? Should clergy dispense with vestments (they do take labor to produce and cost money)? Perhaps we should return to the custom of having only one tunic. Then there would be lots of money for benevolence.
Esso has it right: this is pure silliness.
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
To quote Stoneridge quoting Luke:
“For whosoever would save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. For what is a man profited, if he gain the whole world, and lose or forfeit his own self? For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in his own glory, and the glory of the Father, and of the holy angels.”
You are to be commended, Stoneridge, that you have some familiarity with the Synoptic Gospels. Mathman seems never to have read any of them. Does he know what they are?
Nor do I particularly disagree with you, Stoneridge. Where we would disagree might be on the one point Mathman has right, "adiaphora", about matters of indifference. Even Jesus said, "the poor you always have with you", even though He basically laid a heavy guilt trip on us about our responsibilites for the poor. In the context of the 21st Century where we rich Americans are the 5% using up 90% of the world's resources (don't quote me, I may be off 6% or so on any figures), the poor would be ever so much better off if the majority of Americans were not buying SUVs and Hummers, $600,000 homes, plasma TVs, etc. Conservative Christians are the world's biggest hypocrites. Yes, it is indifferent to a large degree whether we have things for our comfort, but to the *degree* that we have and that others do *not*, it is not adiaphora at all, but is the very heart of what Jesus Christ taught in the Synoptic Gospels. Give them a read.
Yes, Jesus will be ashamed of those Christians who do not bother to read His words or, having read, ignore them.
(The quotation from the Gospel of Thomas is interesting, but like everything unique in it, it is too ambiguous to prove anything even if it were canonical, which it isn't.)
Dale Adams
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 Re: Not much Jesus, but a lot of green - by Wesley Pruden
"It seems to me that the church’s foremost objective should be saving souls, not saving the planet. Save the souls first and you may well save the planet. Save the planet first and you may well lose your souls."

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Well and rightly said, Stoneridge.

With much Christian love,

Essodalori
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