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Exclusives : CANTERBURY vs. NIGERIA: The Clash of the Titans
Posted by David Virtue on 2004/11/26 19:48:00 (6392 reads)

THE CLASH OF THE TITANS

News Analysis

By David W. Virtue

A major battle is looming, if it is not already underway, between the two most powerful men in the Anglican Communion - the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams and the Archbishop of Nigeria Peter Akinola.

The two men are light years apart on most major issues ranging from understanding the nature of the faith, ecclesiology, sexuality issues, crossing jurisdictional boundaries and the role of the Anglican Consultative Council.

The skirmishing and shots fired on both sides has been going on for several months now, but the guns are growing bigger and louder and there are every indication that it will erupt into total war when all the Primates gather together in Ireland next February.

Theology

Theologically the two men are poles apart. Dr. Williams is an Affirming Catholic, a movement begun in 1990 at St. Alban's Church in London under the auspices and guidance of Dr. Williams himself. The emphasis of Affirming Catholicism is to affirm tradition 'in its proper and fullest sense', not as a 'lifeboat in which to escape the present' but as 'a crucible in which the experiment of Christian life is constantly tested'. The focus of this movement is to reappropriate the fullness of catholic doctrine, focus on the Incarnation, encouraging the full insights of a catholic feminism. Genuine Catholicism, they argue, means full inclusion of members of the Church in the threefold ministry, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. The latter speaks volumes. One of its founding members is ECUSA Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold. He is also its American Patron.

A less well known clause in their positional statement is that it seeks to provide a crucial antidote to the rising tide of biblical fundamentalism that, in many parts of the Anglican Communion, is weakening the historic Anglican commitment to a balanced theology.

Archbishop Akinola, by contrast, is solidly Evangelical in theology and practice. That is to say he sees himself standing in the historic and intellectual lineage of men like Hooker, the Caroline Divines, and later men such as Simeon and J.C. Ryle. He is a product of the Church Missionary Society. His Anglican Evangelical heritage emphasizes biblical faith, personal conversion, piety, and, in general, the Protestant rather than the Catholic heritage of the Anglican Communion. Unlike a lot of evangelicals who regard themselves as "low church" Akinola sees himself liturgically as something of a high churchman. East Africa tends to be Low Church ecclesiologically, with West Africa tending to be high church. Akinola is more in the high church camp with regard to his ecclesiology.

It is precisely at a theological level though that the two men fundamentally differ and indeed disagree. It has been the aggressive evangelicalism of the Anglican Church in Nigeria, first under Archbishop Joseph Adetiloye and now under Akinola himself that has made it the world's largest diocese with some 18 million Anglican Christians. Akinola said recently that he plans to double the church in three years! If he is successful his province coupled with the Province of Uganda will be home to more than half the Anglican Communion between them!

By contrast the Church of England is declining in attendance, and the Church in Wales made no significant advance numerically under Williams when he was archbishop, living proof that Affirming Catholicism is little more than a theological exercise that impresses the few and is irrelevant to the many. Sin and salvation plays where inclusivity doesn't. New life where there is none is far more attractive than the finer points of "catholic feminism" or gender orientation. Furthermore the statement that Affirming-Catholicism is an alternative to "biblical fundamentalism" is an insult to evangelicals who do not see themselves as fundamentalists.' Fundamentalism' is equated with Jerry Falwell not with the Archbishop of Sydney, Australia. Furthermore if Williams and his Affirming Catholicism want to slam Nigerian Anglicans as 'fundamentalists' they might consider the fact that Nigeria has more earned PhDs among its bishops than the United States and Canadian provinces put together!

But theology is not the only arena where the two men sharply disagree.

Sexuality

Sexuality issues also delineate the two men. Dr. Williams is pro-gay, his pamphlet 'The Body's Grace' lays out his views where he argues that homosexual practice for committed sodomites is perfectly acceptable and this poses no moral problems with Scripture which he sees at best as ambiguous about homosexual practice. He is in sync with the Presiding Bishop of the U.S. Frank Griswold whose province has ordained an openly homoerotic divorced man to the episcopacy and who considers homosexuality "hard wired." While Williams would not go that far, his rejection of practicing homosexuals is more one of timing for the communion than substance. He was a strong supporter of Jeffrey John, another homosexual, to be the Bishop of Reading and only back downed when the Church of England's Evangelicals threatened to pull the financial plug on him and the Diocese of Oxford. Williams blinked.

Akinola has repeatedly made it clear that Scripture is firmly opposed to homosexuality and neither he nor his African brethren will cave in on the subject despite repeated efforts at several primatial gatherings to break the Global South bishops of their alleged homophobia. This is now the lightening rod issue that threatens to unglue the whole communion…and may well do so. The Lambeth resolution on human sexuality delivered in 1998 was clear, unambiguous and binding. The Windsor Report was an attempt, albeit flawed, to find a way through the issue that many of us hoped would hold the communion together without it coming apart at the seams.

Frank Griswold has pushed the envelope to the brink of the precipice and the Global South bishops seem ready to push it over the edge along with Griswold, only their loyalty to Williams and the historic ties to Canterbury hold them back.

Islam

It is here too that both men disagree in how they approach this aggressively evangelistically religion.

From Archbishop Akinola's perspective, followers of the Mohammed need to be converted to Jesus Christ, and his church has dozens of evangelists going out into villages with the message of the gospel day in and day out preaching the Good News. This writer has seen a village that was nominally Islam converted to Christ with amazing social changes that followed.

By contrast Archbishop Williams regards Islam as an "Abrahamic faith" on an equal footing with Christianity. He is happy to sit down in Cairo with Islamic leader and scholar Tantawi and talk about common ground and the evil of fundamentalism. He is happy to blame Western economic dominance as the cause of Islamic and Arab fury.

Anglican Consultative Council

In the climate of East West Anglican relations few things have infuriated Archbishop Akinola more than the work of the ACC. It has been and continues to be a bastion of white liberal domination that rarely reflects the thinking of the Global South. Canon John Peterson, who shortly retires, was caught manipulating his Western (read American) paymasters to dilute the influence of the Global South over pansexual acceptance. Peterson has never been trusted by the Global South and his departure was generally welcomed, offering hopes that his replacement would be an African. It didn’t happen. Once again a liberal pro-gay Irishman was chosen to succeed Peterson, infuriating Akinola who stormed out of the ACC offices complaining that the only black faces were little more than low-level office staff. Williams made no effort to see that the fourth instrument of unity would have a black face, an insensitivity and rebuff that Akinola will not soon forget. At the time Akinola wrote a scathing letter to the Archbishop of Canterbury blasting the appointment of the new general secretary for the Anglican Consultative Council, Irish-born Canon Kenneth Kearon. In a stiffly worded letter to Williams and all the Primates, Akinola wrote saying he was "disappointed at the action that fails to take cognizance of the feelings and yearnings of those of us in the global south." His appeal to Williams changed nothing.

Crossing boundaries

Crossing jurisdictional boundaries has become one of the most sensitive areas in inter-Anglican struggles. In the last two years Global South Primates have begun scooping up orthodox parishes in revisionist dioceses in the U.S. under the nose of Frank Griswold. This has become such a point of contention that Williams has entered the fray publicly condemning these perceived border violations.

The most recent border crossing involved Akinola himself. Just a week before the Windsor report was due out the Nigerian Primate dropped into the U.S. and announced the formation of a Nigerian Anglican parish in the Diocese of Washington, which annoyed both Bishop John Chane and Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold, and then he announced the formation of the Convocation of Nigerian Anglicans (CONA) which drew the public wrath of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Undaunted Akinola said that the Episcopal Church was not a spiritually safe place for evangelical Anglican Nigerians.

When the Windsor Report finally emerged, it was Akinola who blasted it publicly then returned to Nigeria furious that Griswold snatched victory from the jaws of defeat and that the commission chose to make those who crossed jurisdictional boundaries the bad guys. The Windsor Report confirmed his worst suspicions that the Anglican Communion is being run by white Western liberals who have the money and want to retain the power.

Lagos

Following hard on the heels of the Windsor Report some 250 African bishops gathered in Lagos to look at their future. They gathered to discuss social, political and economic difficulties plaguing the continent. Among their issues was the continued rejection of Western money, the establishment of their own theological colleges and seminaries. They also went into Griswold's face by robing orthodox Pittsburgh Bishop Robert Duncan as the real leader (primate) of the Episcopal Church, an act that has, so far, met with a stony silence from both New York City and Lambeth Palace.

Interestingly enough Williams did not turn up to this major gathering of archbishops drawing the fire and ire of the African bishops. Angered by the perceived snub to the Anglican Churches of Africa, a motion was put forward at the conference that sought to “censure” Dr Williams for his absence. Following a prolonged debate the chairman Bishop Johanes Seoka of Pretoria, urged the bishops not to act, arguing a rebuke would serve no positive purpose. The matter was put to a vote and the motion defeated by a three-to-two margin. Williams barely survived. Lambeth Palace offered no comment when queried on the vote. Ironically Seoka comes from the only liberal province on the African continent.

Thirteen months ago, sources in the Nigerian Church told the Church of England newspaper that Dr. Williams was invited to attend the conference but declined citing scheduling conflicts. This past summer a second invitation was extended to Dr Williams, who again declined pleading poverty, saying his travel budget for the year had been expended and Canon Herman Browne, Dr Williams’ assistant for Anglican Communion affairs was dispatched instead.

Dr Williams’ failure to appreciate the response from African bishops is the latest in a line of blunders and public relations fiascos that have damaged his personal standing with the overseas church, opined the evangelical newspaper.

Lord Carey, by contrast, was more popular abroad and his influence was at time stronger than in the Church of England.

But for Williams and Akinola there can be little doubt that whatever good will there was initially between the two men, it has now seriously eroded and the reservoir of trust has all but disappeared. The perception that Williams is on the same side as Griswold on homosexuality is also not lost on the African prelate and that is intolerable to the African leader. Akinola has repeatedly called on Griswold to repent of his actions in consecrating V. Gene Robinson, an action Griswold has repeatedly said he would not do. Williams has also not asked Griswold to repent.

Sources tell VirtueOnline that if push comes to shove Williams will side with the Global South against the liberal West and Frank Griswold, because of the sheer numbers, but that still does not answer a deeper question, do the Africans still want to stay in communion with Canterbury and Rowan Williams? It was, after all, Akinola who said, 'we don’t need to go through Canterbury to get to Jesus.'

Furthermore while old loyalties die hard, the Kingdom of God is not Canterbury cathedral or Lambeth Palace, and if the perception is that Williams is too compromised and will only side with them for purely political reasons it might not be enough to hold the Anglican Communion together. Compromise is now unacceptable to all parties in the communion.

The Year 2005 promises to be the most decisive year in the history of the Anglican Communion. It could see the great unraveling of the Communion, the abandonment of Williams and the total isolation of the American Episcopal Church. And the two men most likely to affect its outcome are the two titans of the communion - Archbishop Rowan Williams and Archbishop Peter Akinola.

For many orthodox laity, priests and bishops in the Episcopal Church it can't come soon enough.

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Irenaeus
Posted: 2004/11/26 21:32  Updated: 2004/11/26 21:53
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 Prepare Now for the 2005 Primates' Meeting!
Global South church leaders should start preparing now to make sure Abps. Williams and Eames cannot push them around at the Feb. 2005 primates' meeting in Northern Ireland.

They should start by remembering:

--- how in Oct. 2003 Williams insisted that they take communion with Presiding Bp. Griswold;

--- how revisionists at the Anglican Consultative Council and ECUSA know how to use their control of schedules and agendas to make sure orthodox leaders have little time or opportunity to discuss and act on their deepest concerns;

--- how Williams, who could have announced action on him own in response to ECUSA's 2003 general convention, instead launched a long process of dithering that continues to the present (and, if he and Eames have their way will probably last many more years).

To avoid being manipulated by Williams, Eames, and their allies, the Global South primates should:

--- insist on seeing the schedule and agenda well in advance and making sure the primates will have ample opportunity to discuss and act on the real issues; and

--- accept the proposed Anglican Covenant only if its decision-making structures give proper weight to the Global South's numerical preponderance, and would not leave archbishops of Canterbury free to prevent any action that they did not want.

(Articles 26 and 27 of the covenant, as proposed on pages 70-71 of the Windsor Report, give Canterbury enormous power to control whether or how contentious issues are resolved.)
Philip
Posted: 2004/11/27 1:31  Updated: 2004/11/27 1:31
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 Re: Prepare Now for the 2005 Primates' Meeting!
I wonder, do +Griswold and ++Williams actually care about the Christian message?

Or is all they care about, the over-franchising of the homoerotic population at the expense of Holy Scripture, not to mention the Anglican Communion?

I suspect that it is the latter case. For the life of me, I do not understand how they manage to weigh their choice in the balance and fool themselves into thinking that they have chosen correctly.

No matter how they wish it could, the tail can not wag the dog.

Philip
morrismpls
Posted: 2004/11/27 3:47  Updated: 2004/11/27 3:47
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 Re: THE CLASH OF THE TITANS
Titans? I really only see one. Williams is a tragically small man. Anyone who has been around the ECUSA for long enough knows that the game and the status quo favors the heretical steamroller of the North American bishops. Williams, the Windsor report, everything is in place to protect the status quo. They're perfectly fine with how things are going, but don't have the guts to openly admit it.

Let's hope the "Global South" don't get smarmed to death in Ireland this February.
Voyager
Posted: 2004/11/27 4:49  Updated: 2004/11/27 5:05
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A bit too melodramatic with this title. Williams is a politician, albeit not terribly good. The Church of Wales was dis-established long ago under William Gladstone as I recall and is shrivelled.....Williams was Bishop there for 2 years before elevation. He really could do little a) because nothing can be done in Wales b) he was there but 2 years

He obviously appealed to Tony Blair because they have the same woolly ideas and emotional confusion in place of rationalism. Blair would like to dis-establish the Church of England......not because he is any great theological expert simply that he is the over-indulged son of a man who moved from Communist to Army Officer to Conservative within the space of very few years, and Blair wishes to de-construct English society in his government dominated by Scotsmen resentful of England's heritage.

To dismantle the Church of England would unravel yet one more thread of English history, because unlike Nigeria or the US, thi Church was the main cornerstone of the settlement following the English Civil War and the rule of Oliver Cromwell.........to forget that the Church of England was first established under Henry VIII........then dis-established under Lord Protector Cromwell.......and re-established in 1660 to restore Monarchy after the Republic; is to be oblivious to why it was conceived as a broad church to bind the nation after years of civil war.

To dis-establish this Church will lead to its terminal decline, for many are members not of a Protestant Sect but of an institution which is as relevant to the English as the White House and the Constitution is to most Americans........that is not to say it enjoys wholehearted or even slavish adherence but then again neither do those US institutions.


BTW just to return to Abram........there is a famous quotation by John Maynard Keynes about Friedrich von Hayek and his theories.......along the lines of "starting with a false premise he pursues the argument logically and consistently to an absurd and false conclusion"

This is I believe the essence of Islam deriving itself from Abram..........and those who try to tell us that we have anything in common will have to return us to worshipping the moon which shines its reflected light upon us all
Sasha
Posted: 2004/11/27 5:13  Updated: 2004/11/27 5:17
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 Re: Prepare Now for the 2005 Primates' Meeting - and DON'T Trust ANY 1st-Worlders!!!!
Well said, Irenæus!!! I only will add that at least a couple of other steps are in order: the Third-Worlders have to keep their mobile phones with them at all times and not let any of the Eames-Williams staff touch absolutely anything of theirs whatsoever!!! They have to treat those 1st-World people with the maximum suspicion to the point of the latter in fact being looked down upon as utter CRIMINALS (which in fact they virtually truly ARE!!!!)!!! They (the 3rd-Worlders!) have to INSIST on the locations of their colleagues and agree in advance that if Griswold takes communion with Williams (or, better yet, that if Williams doesn't insist on E"C"USA and Canada's being punished most severely!!!!) that ALL BETS are OFF!!!! I.E., that the stinking, decaying mess known as the Anglican "Communion" is truly DEAD!!!!!

Truly, I think that we shouldn't have to wait even until then - the "Communion" can be killed off right now and Williams chucked out with it!!!!!
Sasha
Posted: 2004/11/27 5:23  Updated: 2004/11/27 5:23
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Excellently said, morrismpls!!!! Truly: Griswold, Eames, Williams, Carnley, Hutchinson and Ndungane (and all those on their side) are amongst the most pitiable and CONTEMPTIBLE of people!!!!

I hope that after the trickery Williams managed to use in 2003 to cheat the 3rd-World, the latter will know to counter what no doubt the former will try to repeat!!!! [The line should be: "just ONE slip on your part, 1st-Worlders, and we're leaving while you can take your "Communion" and shove it you know where!!!!!] If I were one of them, I'd treat all those 1st-Worlders with the maximum possible suspicion and distrust possible - and if I got kicked out as a result, "cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war!!!" would be the result (unless they instead try poisoning people...)...
FRHLL
Posted: 2004/11/27 14:33  Updated: 2004/11/27 14:33
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 Re: THE CLASH OF THE TITANS
It is interesting to read the amount of hatred directed at the Archbishop while directing so much hatred at the General Convention and Presiding Bishop. People seem to think it is ok for some to break with Canterbury but not others.
bwdaudi
Posted: 2004/11/27 15:56  Updated: 2004/11/27 15:56
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 Re: THE CLASH OF THE TITANS
A couple of thoughts -
one is agreeing that the titans appear unequal - Akinola is a strong and productive leader while Williams appears unable or unwilling to take a stand (the Anglican straddle is a most awkward position at times!).
the other is that (and I feel the same anger and frustration at times) the vitriol and the caustic remarks may serve to vent, but they are then part of the landscape in which we have to live as orthodox. In that line, lumping all in one pot (I'm thinking of Ngungane in particular) may not be fruitful. If the aim is to leave room to be reconciled to a repentant brother (or primate), when we calumny and categorize without knowing that person, there is damage and debris of our making that must be dealt with, too.
My understanding of conversations friends had with Ndungane, during his stay at Virginia Seminary, is that he agrees that homosexuality is a sin, per the Lambeth statements, but is not being heard in his concerns on how things are going down. Maybe he was being deceptive, but he has been involved with a work of Christian reconciliation in South Africa, and so brings an understanding of division wrought and fraught with anger, deception and misunderstanding.
I've been through marital divorce. God is merciful to our brokenness, weakness, and pain, and will be with us through it. His lovingkindness is unsearchable. But the amputation, the loss, remains with us in this life, albeit covered by His mercy. My anger, my vitriol, though understandable, won nothing. My graciousness to my ex (our daughter told me once, years after, that she never heard an unkind word of her mom from my lips) touched a heart with grace. My grief has touched others, not my anger.
Let us stay true to Christ and the word, preach Christ, crucified and resurrected, and wear grief more willingly than a sword. Maybe godly grief will bring repentance.
Just my thoughts -
Grace be to you all
warmac9999
Posted: 2004/11/27 17:44  Updated: 2004/11/27 17:45
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 Re: THE CLASH OF THE TITANS
It appears that the polar opposites are in charge of the Episcopal and Anglican churches. Williams and Griswold believe that anyone who is not on their pansexualist side is evangelical while Akinola believes that anyone who is not on his side is a pansexual revisionist. Frankly, I am a conservative, othodox, traditional Episcopalian who has seen the Episcopal Church destroyed by these polar opposites. I am disgusted by the pansexual revisionists who have created the problem for me and my family, and am dismayed by the harshness of the evangelicals. Fundamentally, pun intended, I have far more in common with those who honor the thousands of years of Christianity than those who believe that the hard earned lessons of Christian history need to be discarded to promote some abstract concepts of inclusiveness, diversity and tolerance without any Christian limitations whatsoever.
Anonymous
Posted: 2004/11/27 20:44  Updated: 2004/11/27 20:44
 Re: THE CLASH OF THE TITANS
Who will win the "Titanic" struggle?

God will.
Voyager
Posted: 2004/11/28 11:30  Updated: 2004/11/28 11:30
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 Re: Rowan Williams
Rowan Douglas Williams was born in Swansea on 14 June 1950. He was educated at Dynevor Secondary School, then at Christ's College Cambridge, where he read Theology. After research in Oxford (on Christianity in Russia), he spent two years as a lecturer at Mirfield Theological College near Leeds. From 1977, he spent nine years in academic and parochial work in Cambridge. From 1986-1992, Dr Williams was Professor of Theology at Oxford. He was enthroned as Bishop of Monmouth in 1992 and Archbishop of Wales in 2000.

Dr Williams is a Fellow of the British Academy. His interests include music, fiction and languages.

Since 1981, Dr Williams has been married to Jane Paul, a lecturer in theology, whom he met while living and working in Cambridge. They have a son and a daughter.

Chronology

Christ's College, Cambridge B.A. 1971. M.A. 1975
Wadham College, Oxford, D.Phil 1975
College of the Resurrection, Mirfield, 1975
Deacon 1977. Priest 1978
Tutor, Westcott House, Cambridge 1977-1980
Honorary Curate, Chesterton St George, Ely 1980-1983
Lecturer in Divinity, Cambridge 1980-1986
Dean and Chaplain, Clare College, Cambridge 1984-1986
Canon Theologian, Leicester Cathedral 1981-1982
Canon Residentiary, Christ Church, Oxford 1986-1992
Lady Margaret Professor of Divinity, Oxford 1986-1992
DD 1989

Elected as Bishop of Monmouth on 5th December 1991
Enthroned as Bishop of Monmouth on 14 May 1992 in St Woolos Cathedral, Newport
Elected Archbishop of Wales in December 1999
Enthroned as Archbishop of Wales on 26 February 2000 in St Woolos Cathedral

Archbishop of Canterbury

Elected as Archbishop of Canterbury on 23 July 2002




As you can see his background is not dissimilar to Griswold......bioth have made it a family business; both spent the bulk of their time as University academics.
Irenaeus
Posted: 2004/11/28 21:19  Updated: 2004/11/28 21:19
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 Griswold as an Academic?
Voyager: You write that both Williams and Griswold "spent the bulk of their time as University academics."

Are you sure that's true of Griswold?

His official bio mention only positions as parish priest, bishop, and presiding bishop.
http://ecusa.anglican.org/1275_1271_ENG_HTM.htm?menu=undefined
Voyager
Posted: 2004/11/29 5:31  Updated: 2004/11/29 5:31
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 Re: Griswold as an Academic?
I read somewhere that he had been - I know he was at Oriel College, Oxford, but somewhere I read that he had a background.......since I cannot yet find this referece I shall withdraw that statement until I can validate it.

Williams has an impressive educational background - being both Prof of Divinity at Oxford and at Cambridge. I know Harries, Bishop of Oxford was an Army Officer then a theological academic; and that the nutcase who used to be Bishop of Durham had similarly been a University academic before appointment...in his case Chaplain at the Queen's College, Oxford.

As for Griswold......I must research the trail I left behind.......
Voyager
Posted: 2004/11/29 5:36  Updated: 2004/11/29 5:36
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 Re: Griswold as an Academic?
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/bishops/0102.html

Having looked at this, your point is made.......I believe I was wrong in my assessment of Griswold as an academic. Apologies for the error. Thank you for pointing it out.
alan1803
Posted: 2004/11/29 10:44  Updated: 2004/11/29 10:44
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 Re: THE CLASH OF THE TITANS
A couple of factual things:

1. Disestablishment of the Welsh Church didn't take palce under Gladstone, but shortly after the end of the First World War.

2. In England, those Anglo-Catholic churches which have opted for the care of "flying bishops" are actually doing quite well.

A question for evangelicals:
Having prevented the appointment of Jeffrey John to Reading, why did evagelicals then welcome the appointment of his replacement, who believed exactly the same as Dr John about homosexuality?

A point worth noting:
Conservative Anglo-Catholics in England LIKE Rowan Williams. See, for example, the motion proposed by me, seconded by Geoffrey Kirk (national secretary of FiF UK) and carried overwhelmingly at this year's Forward in Faith National Assembly pledging "our prayerful, if sometimes critical, support for His Grace the Archbishop".

Alan Harrison
Voyager
Posted: 2004/11/29 11:47  Updated: 2004/11/29 11:47
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 Re: Factual Corrections
The Church in Wales
Disestablishment and Disendowment
Under the Welsh Church Act 1914

Irish Church Act 1869

I am afraid I confused Gladstone's Dis-Establishment in Ireland with that in Wales.......thank you for pointing out the error
craigg4c
Posted: 2004/11/29 16:43  Updated: 2004/11/29 16:43
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Quote:
Furthermore the statement that Anglo-Catholicism is an alternative to "biblical fundamentalism" is an insult to evangelicals who do not see themselves as fundamentalists.


Mmmpf. It's also an insult to us Anglo-Catholics who take Scripture seriously...

Craig
dvirtue
Posted: 2004/11/30 20:48  Updated: 2004/11/30 20:48
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 Re: CANTERBURY vs. NIGERIA: The Clash of the Titans
CORRECTION...CORRECTION...CORRECTION

Dear Readers,

There were two places in the story that said "Anglo-Catholicism" instead of "Affirming Catholicism".

These were pointed out to me and I have corrected both places. Please accept my sincerest apologies for these errors.

David W. Virtue DD
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