EPISCOPAL WOMEN SHAMELESSLY BARE BREASTS FOR CHARITY
Parishioners leave parish in disgust
By David W. Virtue
BATTLE CREEK, MI. (11/23/2004)--Fourteen Episcopal women aged between 55 and 82 recently bared their breasts for charity in a copy cat of the movie Calendar Girls, to raise money for breast cancer research.
Calling themselves The Belles of St. Mary's, the women bared nearly all in a photo pew op at St. Thomas Episcopal Church for a calendar they hope will raise money for the research.
But a mother of four, Helen Cook, who attends the parish was outraged and wrote VirtueOnline to say so.
"The calendar from the 'Belles of St. Mary' is the last straw for me. When I saw the brochure I thought the photos could very nicely fit into Playboy. That magazine sells because it has photos of naked women. Does anyone doubt that the "Belles of St. Mary Calendar" would not have sold quite as well had it also not been for pictures of naked women? In the end it is photos of naked women's bodies being used as objects."
"When the brochure is opened there sits Ms. September. Susan, is a Medical assistant to a physician in Battle Creek. I am an RN. She is completely naked, holding items strategically so that one cannot see her nipples, and sitting so that one cannot see her complete "business" but the picture would be a great Playboy picture were it not for the fact that she is a 60 something year old grandmother," she said.
"My husband is outraged; my two older children, 21 and 17 are perplexed and aghast. I can't even explain it to my youngest 9-year old. Friends that I discussed this with and showed the brochure to were just as flabbergasted by the whole thing as I was. So count a Catholic, a Presbyterian and a non churchgoer as disconcerted and disquieted as we are."
Cook said she wrote to her rector the Rev. Joy Rogers and the parish's assistant the Rev. Chris Yaw saying they would not be returning to St. Thomas explaining why. "I told them both that I found the calendar objectionable, inappropriate and that it ran counter to the morals I am attempting to instill into my children. 'Mother Joy', whose name takes on a whole new meaning to me now, never even bothered to answer me. No email, no phone call, nothing. Fr. Chris answered very briefly with the argument that there are two sides to everything and that if I reconsidered to get in touch with him."
Blasting her priest, Cook wrote, "Rev. Rogers you have taken the church out of the Body of Christ. You have violated the teaching of scripture by allowing essentially goddess symbols into your church. You have degraded women as a whole by allowing the female nude body to be made an object for mercenary purposes. You have violated the norms of morality that is basic to any society. It is not "shamelessly good fun" it is shameful for both you and the church."
Cook said she and her family had been worshipping at St. Thomas since 1999. All of my children were baptized in St. Thomas with the oldest also confirmed. I had expected the other two to also confirm there. I had thought I would see my children marry there and to see my grandchildren baptized there. In short it was the church home I expected to be available to me and my family for many years.
One of the reasons Cook said she and her family were initially drawn to the Episcopal Church was because the bible was being read in its historical and cultural context.
Cook also blasted recent revelations of pagan Druid worship in The Episcopal Church. "It was a light bulb moment. One of the reasons I did the online search was because I felt that there was little understanding on the part of those who participated in making the calendar or on the part of those who were buying the calendar, on bringing that kind of symbology into the church."
"The idea of a church, my church in particular utilizing the symbols of the 'Divine Female' is not only inappropriate, it is abhorrent. I cannot for the life of me understand why it is necessary to utilize symbols of female sexuality, (and photo's of naked women regardless of how tastefully done or how old the participants are as symbols of female sexuality), to raise money for anything."
"The process of our moving away from the church became even more accelerated with the consecration of Gene Robinson. I cannot even bring myself to call him either a Priest or a Bishop," she said.
According to an article in the December issue of Episcopal Life which features the story in a headline "Baring (almost) all for their faith" they reported that a second parish, St. Peter's-by-the-Sea in Narragansett, Rhode Island featured a group of "mature women" shoulder-deep in flowers outside the church with an upper back view of a clearly naked Michigan grandmother lifting her clothes-free infant granddaughter.
According to the story both calendars are selling well - nearly 1,000 in the first month in Narragansett, more than 2,000 in a month in Battle Creek.
The calendar features parishioners in their 70s and 80s.
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| essodalori | Posted: 2004/11/23 19:54 Updated: 2004/11/23 19:54 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
"It is not "shamelessly good fun" it is shameful for both you and the church.""
--- ECUSA has no shame anymore. And hey, without sin, you don't need shame. And hey, without sinning, you don't need Jesus Christ. So what is ECUSA? A porno, sodomitic, Druid club? All that will be left is sodomites and naked old ladies. Essodalori |
| bldrell | Posted: 2004/11/23 20:39 Updated: 2004/11/23 20:39 |
Just popping in ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/7/2 From: This Side of The Wall Posts: 20 |
They even put a picture on the church website where you can order the calendar:
www.stthomasbc.org/stmarys1.htm I just couldn't believe it. But there they were. |
| PJLILL | Posted: 2004/11/23 20:43 Updated: 2004/11/23 20:43 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/7/21 From: Alberta Posts: 310 |
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Fourteen Episcopal women aged between 55 and 82 recently bared their breasts for charity in a copy cat of the movie Calendar Girls The movie is based on a true story, where this was done by members of a Yorkshire WI. That's an interesting story in itself, there was indeed more than might meet the eye (ahem) in that case. Dunno about copy-cat's though. Sounds a lot like Hollywood sequels - never as good, gets boring quickly. Though, Mrs Cook sounds just like somebody in the movie - if you saw it, you'd know who I meant ![]() C'mon guys, lighten up, just a little, hmm? It isn't the end of the world. This is the point where you can take me to task as a godless heathen. |
| Lawrence | Posted: 2004/11/23 22:06 Updated: 2004/11/23 22:07 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/14 From: Posts: 103 |
Jill,
Nobody in their right mind would call you a godless heathen (Matt 5:22) But those folks are still wrong. Sin occurs in thought, word, and deed; Our Lord does not distinguish between them. Jesus said on the mount that if we can commit adultry just by thinking about a woman or man. Offering sexual images for sale is nothing more than an intentional stumbling block goading men to sin. Furthermore, sexual sin is the only sin I can think of that God tells us to "run" from even when we are filled with the Holy Spirit! Our culture has turned a mountain into a mole hill... I urge you and anybody else who thinks such activities are ok to reconsider the sinfulness whats going on here. |
| MarkP | Posted: 2004/11/24 0:01 Updated: 2004/11/24 0:30 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/11/11 From: Diocese of El Camino Real Posts: 320 |
I looked at the picture on the St. Mary's web site. Exactly what is the point here?? They're keeping their tops off until we contribute money? That's an interesting type of extortion.
Hi Jill, nothing in your comments would, in any way, cause me to consider you a godless heathen. But, now that we've taken our place as "the gay church," even benign little pranks like St. Mary's take on a new meaning. Doesn't anyone remember Jesus Christ? Are we just a wacky social club now? |
| skimbro | Posted: 2004/11/24 0:08 Updated: 2004/11/24 0:08 |
Just popping in ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/11/1 From: Posts: 4 |
Seriously...c'mon I don't think pcitures of old ladies are going to turn anybody on!
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| usmc701 | Posted: 2004/11/24 0:28 Updated: 2004/11/24 0:28 |
Quite a regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/3/11 From: Kentucky Posts: 43 |
skimbro, obviously you aren't an old man.
But seriously, the whole thing reeks of the do your own thing and don't worry what anyone (specifically including God) thinks. Yet another example of how we have evolved into Brother LeRoy's (Flip Wilson) "Church of What's Happenin' Now" |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2004/11/24 2:25 Updated: 2004/11/24 2:25 |
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What is even more shameful than the photos is the marketing script on the website that is hawking this trash. It states that this calendar would be a great way to keep up with the days of the year, would make a great gift for family and friends and after all....Christmas is right around the corner!
And it's not just for raising money for breast cancer research but for the church building fund as well. Christ protect us! It's a 21st century repeat of the money changers in the temple. I can just hear the whip being fashioned right now. I wonder if the grannys would be so quick to be snapped nude in the church if instead of Christmas right around the corner...it was Christ right around the corner? |
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| essodalori | Posted: 2004/11/24 2:28 Updated: 2004/11/24 2:29 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
"C'mon guys, lighten up, just a little, hmm? It isn't the end of the world."
--- True. But that's not the point. I wouldn't want my children to see this. I doubt that Jesus Christ would either. I thought churches were supposed to do things Christ would want us to do. I didn't used to think we need to shield our kids from church activities. Guess I was confused about something... Essodalori |
| Voyager | Posted: 2004/11/24 2:41 Updated: 2004/11/24 2:41 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/7/30 From: 90 ± 10 Astronomical Units (AU). Posts: 1594 |
First they go to church with their heads uncovered, and now they seem to think it is a topless beach. Clearly these are "social" members rather than "practising" members of the Christian Church.
Why is it that "Charity" is used now as an excuse for all typss of behaviour, and as if no other standards of behaviour in public matter "charity" overriding everything - the motto being "The End justifies The Means" ? Yet in the Bible "Charity" had a specific meaning which is violated by actions like this; clearly it is not only prelates who have no conscience or notion of piety within the Church; there are within the congregations an easily led flock of fools who see their prelates as their "leader" in folly. |
| essodalori | Posted: 2004/11/24 3:10 Updated: 2004/11/24 11:02 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
Not to be outdone, the older men of St. Mary's agreed to pull down their pants for pictures for a new church calendar to raise money for those suffering from prostate cancer.
The new calendars of the old naked men are available for families and children of all ages - with a discount for direct-mail Christmas or Easter gifts. The first two dozen calendars were quickly ordered by Vickie Gene Robinson and Louie Crew. "More wonderful dreams of crotch perfume," said Louie, referring to his homoporno poetry, and when asked about what the new calendars would mean for the Episcopal Church. "The Lord is revealing new things to us every day!" exclaimed Vickie Gene. "We must be receptive, and I intend to be." And please note - The naked homo calendar will be released shortly... to raise money for those suffering from gay bowel syndrome... (The first kid who comes to church each Sunday morn will get one free...) Essodalori |
| anurse | Posted: 2004/11/24 4:04 Updated: 2004/11/24 4:04 |
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Just when I thought the church could sink no lower....
This has become like a contest to see who can come up with the most depraved and disgusting idea that will surely lead to eternal damnation. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2004/11/24 12:50 Updated: 2004/11/24 12:50 |
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Wow!!...essodalori...the pen may or may not be mightier than the sword...but yours has been honed to a razor like sharpness on that post.
Quite right....and funny too. ![]() |
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| PJLILL | Posted: 2004/11/24 13:37 Updated: 2004/11/24 13:39 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/7/21 From: Alberta Posts: 310 |
You're probably right. Can't get worked up about this one though. I guess I'm moving between mild amusement and boredom. I should probably share the moral outrage, but for this I just can't. Sorry!
Peter (aka Jill, apparently) PS Didn't Esso have this problem? I'm a guy, honestly, a guy I tell you! ![]() |
| wnpaul | Posted: 2004/11/24 13:38 Updated: 2004/11/24 13:40 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/6 From: Vienna, Austria Posts: 37 |
I don't know about anyone else, but a church website which is all about money, with no service times and no presentation of the Gospel says a lot about that church. If raising money is the most important thing, then why balk at bare boobs?
And note that the only way to send them feedback is by sending money, providing credit card info over an insecure connection. No e-mail address or phone number seems to appear anywhere on the site. |
| db4him | Posted: 2004/11/24 14:09 Updated: 2004/11/24 14:10 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/5/19 From: Posts: 427 |
I personally am going to wait for the "scratch and sniff" version I hear will be introduced next year. Where else can you get your rocks off in Jesus' name?
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| rpearse | Posted: 2004/11/24 14:14 Updated: 2004/11/24 14:14 |
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It is becoming hard to satirise the Episcopal Church, so degraded has it become. This matter is the stuff of comedy sketches!
We have to remember, tho, that we do not struggle with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers. We know that the enemy seeks to wreck the church. By taking over the leadership, and causing them to behave in a shameful manner, this aim is achieved. The decent are disgusted, and the church becomes a laughing-stock. Thus ordinary people can be damned. The Lord told us about shepherds that turned out to be wolves, preying on the flock rather than protecting it. It is interesting how many of those who draw their salaries from the Episcopal Church are plainly wolves, albeit somewhat low-grade wolves. |
| essodalori | Posted: 2004/11/24 18:32 Updated: 2004/11/24 18:42 |
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"The Lord told us about shepherds that turned out to be wolves, preying on the flock rather than protecting it. It is interesting how many of those who draw their salaries from the Episcopal Church are plainly wolves, albeit somewhat low-grade wolves."
--- Hi rpearse! I thought your characterization of what's happening in ECUSA was masterfully stated - except for one thing. I don't really think these are low-grade wolves. Rather, these are cunning wolves, who turn so many from God and from Christ - without their even knowing it. That's Satan at his best (I mean worst..). With Christian love, Essodalori |
| essodalori | Posted: 2004/11/24 18:38 Updated: 2004/11/24 18:39 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
"Didn't Esso have this problem? I'm a guy, honestly, a guy I tell you!"
--- Let's face it, PJILL. We're just like the man named Sue... Essodalori |
| twanders | Posted: 2004/11/24 19:00 Updated: 2004/11/24 19:00 |
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The only way the Episcopal church can survive is "porno in the pews" after the parishoners quietly leave the church that left them behind years ago.
As Griswolds' office sees less and less funds coming their way, I can see him, Louie Crew, Bp.Spong and the Druids joining together for the next nude calendar! Cheers!!! |
| anamchara | Posted: 2004/11/25 20:38 Updated: 2004/11/25 20:38 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/6 From: Posts: 36 |
OK, hands up everyone who has ever viewed the Venus De Milo, especially in a photograph. And David? And any Ruebens painting? OK, I see one person hasn't raised his hands. Have you led an artfully deprived life, sir? That is a pity.
Now before everyone starts ripping my hide off for equating a bunch of naked grannies with great art, I'm not. I'm merely trying to make a point about nudity in art. Someone said something akin to, "if she hadn't been a sixty something year old grandmother, it would have been suitable for Playboy". Leaving aside how this poster would know what or was not suitable for Playboy, let's get to the point. Which is precisely that these ARE granny types, they aren't the artifically enhanced Pamela Anderson's of the world. I'll bet not a single one of those photos was airbrushed. And Heaven forbid, one of the grannies should be holding a naked baby! Oh my, whatever is the world coming to? Naked babies in the streets? Next thing you know we'll have breastfeeding in public and then cats and dogs will be. . . . . Oh bother! I can guess what these women were up to, it probably wasn't the lark that inspired the original calendar and movie. But really, folks, getting exorcised about it just gives them the publicity they are seeking AND confirms their suspicions that all orthodox believers are sex obsessed prudes. I sentence you all to 15 minutes alone with a rather large Ruebens and then a pint of beer. Kamilla Kamilla ![]() |
| essodalori | Posted: 2004/11/25 20:49 Updated: 2004/11/25 21:06 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/9/15 From: Posts: 4904 |
"But really, folks, getting exorcised about it just gives them the publicity they are seeking AND confirms their suspicions that all orthodox believers are sex obsessed prudes."
--- Actually Kamilla, true Christians are not obsessed with sex (or deviant sex) at all. Try reading Louie Crew's homo 'crotch-perfume' poetry below to see who is. For me, I'd much rather that my children learn Christian modesty, than see all the old ladies in their church stripped and naked. But hey, maybe I'm just weird, and Louie Crew and their ilk are normal... Maybe I'm a bad influence on my kids, and maybe I should introduce them to naked old church ladies and crotch-lovin' Louie Crew. In mind only, I sentence your kids to a reading of Louie Crew's crotch-poetry, and postcards of old naked ladies...! As for me, I've already seen the Ruebens. (And having done so, I think I'd much rather spend that fifteen minutes with my beautiful wife...) But I'll take the beer... Happy Thanksgiving! With Christian love, Essodalori |
| anamchara | Posted: 2004/11/25 21:37 Updated: 2004/11/25 21:37 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/1/6 From: Posts: 36 |
Essodolari,
Well, I didn't say their suspicions were correct. . . .but we sure do a bang up job sometimes of making it sound that way. I tried reading the poetry, tossed it out after the first stanza. It's not even remotely readable! If I had any children, I'd probably take them to see a Ruebens or two and then read them some real poetry. I'd probably have bought the original "calendar girls" calendar, too. I think all too often we are prudish about nudity and it 's one reason we seem to have such a poor theology of the body (human flesh), Oh well, that will be an argument for another day. But I'm certainly glad you prefer your wife to a Ruebens. And you're welcome to the beer anytime. Kamilla ![]() |
| MarkP | Posted: 2004/11/26 4:55 Updated: 2004/11/26 4:55 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/11/11 From: Diocese of El Camino Real Posts: 320 |
OK, just surpose this Sunday, the 19-24 year old women approach the rector of St. Thomas Episcopal Church (Mother Joy Rogers) and the vestry of St. Thomas. The 19-24 year old women ask to be photographed topless in the pews of St. Thomas because the 19-24 year old women would also like to support breast cancer research.
Can the vestry say no? And if the answer is "No," then on what basis--since the sixty+ year olds got to make their statement? Since the diocese and ECUSA are beneficial holders of the Church property, frankly (no pun indended) I would love to hear their take on all this. |
| Anonymous | Posted: 2004/11/26 7:14 Updated: 2004/11/26 7:14 |
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Wait Wait!
I know what the next project for ECUSA should be: Earnestly cajoling women - especially lesbians - to get pregnant, artificially, have an abortion, and sell the living fetus to be carved up for stem cell research. p |
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| gregory | Posted: 2004/11/26 13:01 Updated: 2004/11/26 13:01 |
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Contact these "ladies" :
WOMEN'S GROUPS ST. MARGARET'S CIRCLE...This ladies group meets the fourth Thursday of the month in the church lounge at 1:00PM for fellowship and service. To join, call Frances Dixon at 763-9466. ST. MARY'S CIRCLE...This ladies group meets the fourth Tuesday of the month at 7:00PM in the church lounge for fellowship and service. To join, call Connie Hubbell at 962-0296. SERVICE GUILD...This ladies group meets at various times throughout the year for fellowship. To join, call Esther Shaw at 968-8300. St. Thomas Episcopal Church 16 E. Van Buren Battle Creek, MI 49017 Phone 269-965-2244 ![]() |
| gregory | Posted: 2004/11/26 13:05 Updated: 2004/11/26 13:05 |
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LIGHTNING STRIKES THEIR CHURCH maybe they should re evaluate what they are doing...
On Sunday evening, May 23, 2004, during a torrential thunder storm, a bolt of lightening hit the Steeple of St. Thomas Episcopal Church and set it ablaze. For hours flames poured out of the steeple and danced around the gleaming cross that tops it. Members of the Battle Creek fire department with their aerial fire truck, in their cart 100 feet above the ground, manned a water cannon that pummeled the seemingly fragile structure with enormous volume and force - 2000 gallons a minute. http://www.stthomasbc.org/steeple.htm |
| gregory | Posted: 2004/11/26 13:14 Updated: 2004/11/26 15:31 |
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And this is different, i always thought Evangelism is sharing Christ with someone.
This what St Thomas ECUSA posts on their website: EVANGELISM NEWCOMER'S COMMITTEE...It's not easy to visit a new church! Our Newcomer's committee meets monthly to develop ways to better welcome our guests. To volunteer, call Lorraine Petter at 721-8541. When someone gets to church is that when they think Evangelism kicks in?? Maybe that's when they get a chance to buy the calendar? After prayer i offer this link: http://www.theotokos.org/ God bless!!! |
| 1buffalo | Posted: 2004/11/29 14:33 Updated: 2004/11/29 14:40 |
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The question here seems not to be what is "shamelessly good fun", nor the God given beauty of the female body (no matter what age), nor even the desperate need for funding research on Breast cancer (a ravaging pandemic for sure).Each of these are indeed worthy of persuit.Rather, this IS an issue of holiness, the anointing that our Father calls each of us to...not for self-promotion but for self- preservation. Holiness both within the body and in our places of worship has a life unto iteslf. It eneregizes and truly empowers (an often misused word)us to face the problems of our lives while actively knowing the presence of our Lord Jesus.Holiness is both a gift and a treasure to be received and protected so that it can grow daily in our lives. We just must always be desperate for more of this Holiness.Without it we stagnate in the ordinariness of all that now surrounds us, loosing in the process our call to truly be in but not of this world. Obviously, the "Belles" have never been taught this. Certainly they are lovely, but more importantly they are merely ignorant pawns in a game that seeks to attack the otherness of Father God and His people.
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2004/11/29 15:15 Updated: 2004/11/29 15:15 |
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Oh, gregory, that story is rich, indeed! Lightning strikes the steeple of the church!
Seeing as how the building fund is also a recepient of the funds raised from the nudie calendar, I guess we can expect more bare skinned hijinks from the grannies in order to expedite repairs on the church. Of course, the extra funds may not come in time to cover the damages from further "biblical plagues!" ![]() |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 2004/11/29 19:53 Updated: 2004/11/29 19:53 |
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I want to know if this increases, or decreases, the likelyhood that we will have a female bishop.... Just what might this have to do with female leadership in church?
Don |
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| gregory | Posted: 2004/11/29 22:32 Updated: 2004/11/29 22:32 |
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Don, my guess increases the chance of female bishop as long as she can fill out a calendar well.
Just what might this have to do with female leadership in church? These females lead people out of church. |

























