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News : DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
Posted by David Virtue on 2004/11/11 17:45:00 (3364 reads)

DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric

By Eric Gorski
Denver Post Staff Writer

November 11, 2004 -

During the 11:15 a.m. Eucharist on Sunday, the newest staff member at central Denver's historic St. John's Episcopal Cathedral will be formally installed.

He will walk to the steps before the altar. His qualifications will be discussed. The canon steward will recite the Prayer of St. Francis: "Lord, make us instruments of your peace."

Then, presuming everything goes as planned, a new chapter in interfaith relations will be written: A Muslim imam will join the staff of a Christian church, a first in Denver and perhaps nationally.

Ibrahim Kazerooni, a Shiite cleric, will direct the church's fledgling Abrahamic Initiative, a bridge-building effort among Christians, Jews and Muslims. He will continue to head the Islamic Center of Ahl Al-Beit in west Denver.

"I really don't feel out of place here," said Kazerooni, an Iraq native who has proved to be an articulate voice for his faith since coming to Denver four years ago. "Whether it is a church, a synagogue or a mosque, it's just the medium. The message is the work we do."

Kazerooni won't be paid a salary for serving as interim director of the Abrahamic Initiative, a program founded in the spring of 2001 and named for the biblical figure linking the three faiths. Instead, the church will cover a year's tuition at Iliff School of Theology, where Kazerooni is pursuing a master's in theology.

The initiative seeks to find the common ground of the three monotheistic faiths through public lectures and dialogues in private homes where people from each faith break bread and share stories.

"Our society is polarized," said Greg Movesian, the cathedral canon and chairman of the initiative's steering committee. "We want to get beyond that polarization. We hope this appeals to people who don't look upon people of other religions as a target for conversion but rather potential partners in maintaining a civil society."

"It's a breakthrough," he said of hiring Kazerooni, who previously took part in the program. "I don't know if there is any other church in the country that has an imam on its staff."

The 46-year-old Kazerooni steps into the job at a volatile time: The ghosts of 9/11, the Iraq war, the Israel-Palestinian conflict and disagreement over Yasser Arafat's legacy are rubbing longtime fault lines among Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Kazerooni said those issues aren't to be avoided but addressed in good time. The first step is nothing more complicated than getting people together, he said.

"You need to establish trust," he said. "Then the narrative of hatred will not be there, and at the end of the day, we can discuss a number of issues that are extremely critical but without that distrust."

At the same time, Kazerooni risks backlash by taking a job in a church. Some Muslims on the far right, for instance, shun interaction with the broader society and view interfaith work as a compromise.

"I've experienced a lot in life, and I have grown to have a thick skin," said Kazerooni, who was jailed and tortured in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, accused of spying for Iran. "What I care first and foremost about is whether I can be instrumental in doing something good. Whether my community understands it or not at this stage is irrelevant.

"I'm hoping one day they will understand if they see the result of action and change their mind."

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PJLILL
Posted: 2004/11/11 19:34  Updated: 2004/11/11 19:34
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
I don't know about breakthrough - breakdown more like.

This is the problem: "We hope this appeals to people who don't look upon people of other religions as a target for conversion but rather potential partners in maintaining a civil society"

So, that's the aim? Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of respectful dialogue. But, to me, people of other religions are most definitely candidates for conversion. After all, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. There is no other way.
BrChip
Posted: 2004/11/11 20:29  Updated: 2004/11/11 20:29
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
"The ghosts of 9/11, the Iraq war, the Israel-Palestinian conflict and disagreement over Yasser Arafat's legacy are rubbing longtime fault lines among Christians, Jews and Muslims."

The author left out the most telling fault line between ECUSA and the world of Islam -- the controversy over the legitimization of homosexual relationships as equal to marriage, and the elevation of an openly practicing homosexual as shepherd; the items listed are just areas of concern between Americans and Islam and Jewry, not of Christians and Islam.

I am in favor of, and have practiced, interfaith education, as far back as the mid 70's, as I taught in a Church school in Tampa, with representatives of two Saudi royal families as students in our middle and high school; and have participated in the Diocese East Tennesee in an exploratory interfaith group, to learn about Islam (and other world faiths); but this seems a bit inflamatory, given current circumstances.

The Diocese of Colorado needs not to 'rock their boat' any more than already done this year.
smokymtn
Posted: 2004/11/11 23:42  Updated: 2004/11/11 23:42
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
Mr. Bennison has previously said, in defense of his pagan priests, that the ECUSA should be a safe place for "liturgical experimentation". It would follow, logically, that the ECUSA should have followers of other religions in positions of leadership, does it not? Never mind the words of Christ; "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but by me." Who should we be to quibble such mundane words as the Logos of God when it comes to an echumenical love feast?

Smoky
Anonymous
Posted: 2004/11/12 1:17  Updated: 2004/11/12 1:33
 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
What a complete giggle!

What IS this Abrahamic initiative thing? So, Genesis is correct, or just a lie that fits, right now?

His qualifications will be discussed. Now THERE's a comfort. As if scholarly interests justify the vivisection of the Messiah.

Someone will recite the prayer of brother Francis, lately called, "Saint." Whose "instrument" would he be? Would Allah use a Satanic instrument? Or is this the Rodney King Version of the Francis prayer "Can'st we not, therefore, all just getteth along?"

What IS this Abrahamic initiative thing?

"You need to establish trust," he said. "Then the narrative of hatred will not be there." Already there, dude - in the Satanic Verses so well written about by others.

"The ghosts of 9/11, the Iraq war.. are rubbing longtime fault lines.." GHOSTS OF 9/11???? GHOSTS???

"Whether my (Muslim) community understands it or not at this stage is irrelevant."

Right.

What IS this Abrahamic initiative thing?

Didn't the the Islamic Center of Ahl Al-Beit contribute to a fund that was later found to be paying parents to talk their children into being Palestinian candelabra? ("Plausible deniablity, Mr. Arafat..")

What IS this Abrahamic initiative thing? It's a self-sustaining, self-increasing comp-rel course that at the very least, tries to marginalize major doctrinal differences and at worst, attempts to re-create a void in the shape of doctrine - a doctrinal melange, a pan-religious, myopic railroad track on which it asks its participants to lie.

"We want to get beyond that polarization," says the canon "The Qu'ran suggests that this is the way 'we may know one another,'" saith the author. "BLEH, BLEH, BLEH, BLEH!" saith Snoopy.

I know God doesn't work like this, but I would just love to see Him as the Character Mongo in Blazing Saddles with Sheriff Bart and the Kid take on this group of Colorado loonies led by The Rev. Canon Heddly Lamar.

I'm only partially joking when I say the picture of poor Kazarooni, that accompanies this article, makes him look like he's casing the joint for a place to plant a bomb.

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MarkP
Posted: 2004/11/12 3:07  Updated: 2004/11/12 3:07
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
I honor our Islamic brothers and sisters who, with us and the Jews, are heirs to the faith of Abraham.

I don't understand the point being made by the Diocese of Colorado. The point is that if we get to know each other we will all like each other?? ...and then everyone will be happy and at peace?

Last I checked, Christian discipleship requires that we love our friends and our enemies (and ourselves and our God.) While getting to know other folks is a very neighborly thing to do, we might just find out that not all Muslims are "likeable" just like not all Christians are likeable. And we might think about whether God wants us to love even those we don't like and those we don't know.

It seems like the real test of Christian discipleship is if you can love your enemies whether they live next door or half a world away. And, by the way, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have very carefully thought-out boundaries to protect your children and your home.

So maybe, the money in Colorado should be spent on people who would model Christian discipleship for the rest of us who are trying to figure our exactly how Jesus' witness fits into our chaotic little lives. That "model" begins by knowing Jesus as the son of God, not just a great prophet. ...just a thought.
essodalori
Posted: 2004/11/12 5:01  Updated: 2004/11/12 5:01
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
ECUSA has just become another Unitarian 'Church,' which doesn't believe in anything in particular.

Rather, it's just a pagan fellowship for the worship of whatever.

The only truth it knows is that Jesus Christ is NOT the way, the truth and the life.

That is the road to hell, and away from God.

What a shame.

They are little Eves, reachin' for the apple... (No, make that two apples - no, make that three...)

With Christian love,

Essodalori
JRoss
Posted: 2004/11/12 9:22  Updated: 2004/11/12 9:22
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
""Ibrahim Kazerooni, a Shiite cleric,"""'
History has been made, for the first known infiltrator for Islam is now in place.
essodalori
Posted: 2004/11/12 13:43  Updated: 2004/11/12 13:43
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
Hey kids! I'm glad you could all be here for our Sunday school intro on Islam. Yes, yes, it's an exciting day. No need for talk about Jesus today!!!

And I'd like to start with a talk on jihad... - that's J-I-H-A-D. Take out your notebooks... And your Korans...

Essodalori
1moresheep
Posted: 2004/11/12 13:53  Updated: 2004/11/12 13:55
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
Polyphemos,

re: "I'm only partially joking when I say the picture of poor Kazarooni, that accompanies this article, makes him look like he's casing the joint for a place to plant a bomb."


Today, your comments have made me really laugh. Oh, thanks.... I needed that.

Blessings,
1moresheep
Hogan
Posted: 2004/11/12 16:27  Updated: 2004/11/12 16:28
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church hires Muslim cleric
This story reminds me of the final straw that broke the camel's back causing my family to leave ECUSA:

My daughter was enrolled in a confirmation class and scheduled to see a movie on the history of the church. My husband and I decided to accompany her that day to watch the movie - I'm glad we did.

For the most part, the movie was rather interesting, going through the history of Anglicanism and ECUSA. It was well done. In the closing scene the choir of St. John the Divine's cathedral was seen strolling up the aisle in candlelight procession - and then the picture morphed into Buddhist monks chanting in procession holding candles.

Thinking I was delusional, I turned to my husband and said, "did you see that?" He replied in the affirmative.

It was the last straw - we left ECUSA.

I know most Anglicans aren't much for the Baptist interpretation of Revelation regarding the One World Church to be set up by the Anti-Christ - but, hey, folks, maybe this is prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes!!!!!!
Voyager
Posted: 2004/11/14 8:10  Updated: 2004/11/14 8:10
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 Re: DENVER: Episcopal Church embraces Shia Islam
I find "modernity" confusing. I hear people speak of "faith communities" usually in the media, and it makes me think of conventions of tyre salesmen........a bit like "Here is the man from Goodyear, here is Bridgestone, over there is Michelin; and Continental, B F Goodrich et al".

Each convinced his tyres are the best value but willing to meet to do a bit of price-fixing as Adam Smith warned about.

The TV Media takes a sort of patrician or Olympian detachment as it remarks on the "lesser religions", ie. the ones not involving electronic broadcasts or corporations like Time-Warner or Disney Corp. which sees themselves as new Deities.

So a bit of mix-n-match never comes amiss and lets just get these people to broaden their marketing reach by dropping the pointy bits......look how we remodelled Christmas by dropping that stuff about angels and wise men and the Jewish baby.......now it is a glorious festival of mass-consumption........a sort of Winter Solstice Festival bringing cheer to little girls slaving in Chinese factories to fill the tills at Wal-Mart.


Now if we can get these churches and mosques to develop a blend of "spirituality" we can create new marketing opportunities and get those Muslims to be as free and easy as your Episcopalian Hedonists........create a new Spiritual Paganism of Earthly Delight; a sort of Epcot Centre of Spirituality with a Baskin-Robins diversity of flavours.

This is Mammon re-shaping religion......no wonder Islamic extremists are fighting to preserve what they see as the "purity" of 7th Century Islam from the commercialism of Western Culture; things like this in Denver or in New Hampshire should inflame the purists of the Koran even more.

It is the Secularists that are heating up the Clash of Cultures not the Evangelicals; it is the fundamentalists who are seeking to prevent the encroachment of liberalism into Islamic society by returning it to an earlier "purity" just as Wahhabism preached; and as has happened throughout history........

.....The Secularists are destroying Western Christianity with the connivance of the paying congregations by flirting with fundamentalist Islam which is revolted by their Secularism............Samuel Huntingdon is going to be proven quite correct, but the ruins of Western society will not be pleasant to behold as all moral constraints and civic virtues are abandoned and new forms of social organisation emerge...........the Nazis wanted to destroy Christianity and return to pagan Teutonic roots to steel the masses for the fight for survival without the constraint of Christian morals..............State of Nature tends to be Hobbesian rather than Lockean...........

.......I think the prelates of the Episcopalian Church are making a Faustian bargain......the future could be terrifying as Fear supplants Reason.
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