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Exclusives : Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori's Aggression Against Anglican Leaders
Posted by David Virtue on 2011/12/18 16:50:00 (4868 reads)

Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori's Aggression Against Anglican Leaders
Jefferts Schori attacks Archbishop Rowan Williams with the Charge of Double-Mindedness

NEWS ANALYSIS & COMMENTARY

By Sarah Frances Ives
Special to Virtueonline
www.virtueonline.org
December 19, 2011

In Jeffert Schori's recent book, The Heartbeat of God, she cleverly weaves together her vision of the future Episcopal Church-interfaith communities partnered with a huge United States government. She writes, it is all about, "Mission, mission, mission", (91) and describes many different projects that parishes can start in tandem with the government and other secular groups. Jefferts Schori's underlying terror in this book is clear: create more projects at the parishes or the Episcopal Church is going to disappear. Get to work, peons. Our ship is sinking.

She tells us what to do about any problem in glib and superficial terms that include disparate advice such as to eat our protein, wash our dishes by hand, celebrate layoffs in the Episcopal Church, support the Obama health care bill, call ourselves beloved, criticize the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, make the United States government limit capitalistic profits, declare unity in the Episcopal Church, and plant gardens on the church lawns.

Jefferts Schori bounces from one subject to another with the rapidity of a writer not disciplined by transitional ideas or even rational thought. On page 23 within four sentences, Jefferts Schori drags in, with her typical pell-mell fashion, Katrina and its aftermath, genocide in Rwanda, global AIDS, torture for terrorists, and health care reform in our country. With all her vast pronouncements, she doesn't even bother with a bibliography to support her ideas and includes only seven notes for quotes (two of which are from the Book of Common Prayer).

The only really clear part of this book is that Jefferts Schori supports the Obama health care bill. She continually advocates for this bill in simplistic terms. "Providing basic health care for everyone in this country would be a relatively trivial issue economically if our defense budget went on a diet."(17)

In nearly every chapter, she works that theme and attacks those who oppose the Obama health care bill. Remember her modus operandi? Humiliate and taunt opponents rather than rationally address issues. She derides the criticism of this bill describing it as, "The ranting about health care that this country endured for months as Congress debated reform bills-the ranting that still continues on cable news shows."(27)

Mixed in with her seemingly endless stream of stereotypical political views are Jefferts Schori's odd Biblical interpretations. For example, Jefferts Schori describes Jesus' holy entry into Jerusalem for His crucifixion as the same as "the cowpoke's blessing, 'Happy Trails.'"(48) Her tasteless reference is to the Dale Evans-Roy Rogers theme song, "Happy Trails to you, until we meet again."

In yet another example, Jefferts Schori humiliates the seventy disciples sent out by Jesus. Jesus said he had given these disciples the power to tread underfoot the forces of the enemy (Luke 10:20). But Jefferts Schori mocks them as she writes, "Those seventy just go and they go ahead of Jesus. They're not following him around-they're the advance team, the roadies."(83) Hauling the rock'n roll bands equipment around, roadies (according to folklore) live a wild lifestyle. These disciples faithfully served Jesus and courageously went out into a dangerous world, yet she labels them with a term synonymous with pleasure-seeking hedonists.

Jefferts Schori also criticizes those who evangelize by telling others about Jesus Christ. She praises a man who came to her same conclusion, writing, "He said he finally learned that his job wasn't to get somebody to say a verbal formula about accepting Jesus as personal Lord and savior, but to make a space that was safe enough for others to say what they really think and feel."(75) She taunts both those who evangelize for Jesus and those who accept His ministry. She says about the leper who received healing from Jesus, "Actually, he's a bit whiny about it."(22)

Time and time again, Jefferts Schori reveals that she has no depth conception of the struggles involved with working out one's salvation with fear and trembling. (Philippians 2:12) Faithful people who testify that Jesus is Lord might actually have accepted Him as their Savior, in the midst of severe hardships, and, in doing so, found the great redemption of our Lord.

That apparently means nothing to Jefferts Schori. She declares her easy Islamic theology about the Beloved by commanding everyone to claim the divine baptismal promise given only to Jesus. Beginning with the scripture from Luke 3:22, Jefferts Schori writes, "'You are my beloved, and in you I am well pleased.' If we're willing to risk hearing that and being transformed by it, we have begun to participate in Jesus' reality. It is a hopeful saying for most of us-we don't quite believe that we can be all that pleasing to God, because we think we know more about ourselves than God does. But it was also an aspiration in Jesus' ears-he aspired to live into the fullness of God's intent."(121)

Jesus aspired to live into this? I might aspire to write something like Tolstoy's War and Peace but whether this will happen is surely in question. So Jesus aspired to live into the fullness of God's intent? Does she mean Jesus maybe hoped to do something like God might have wanted? Jesus sounds like a pretty foggy character here, not anything like the powerful revelation of the Godhead the Gospels portray.

Jesus did not have a goal to live into this, but had the full powers of God within his heart and soul. As very God of very God, begotten not made, he did not have a goal to be the beloved Son but was already both God and man.

Jefferts Schori's Islamic theology directly results in her ordination of Rev. Bede Parry. She probably told this sexual predator he was God's beloved, if her book is any indication. She tells the reader continually that all are beloved and have the same reality as Jesus. (pp. 121, 140-142, 155-156 and many more)

In another one of her Biblical distortions, she changes "Blessed are the peacemakers" to "Blessed are the Change Makers."(67) She does indeed truly qualify as a "change maker" for, as we have seen, her desire to destroy the scriptures appears to know no bounds.

This event of an entirely non-Christian theology from a Presiding Bishop might be unprecedented in the history of the Christian faith and bears watching.

The roots of Jefferts Schori's theology lie in mystical Islam called Sufism, although she might have picked up her odd theology from some New Age appropriations of this. The most famous expressions of her Islamic theology are the whirling dervishes, solitary dancing in a circle done in a group with their minds seeking ecstasy. They spin and spin until full of some spirit, they fall into high giddiness.

And toward the end of this book, spinning wildly in her theology without a Savior, Jefferts Schori begins a series of swipes at Anglican and Episcopal priests, bishops and archbishops who oppose her. The great fallacies exhibited in her thinking are Jefferts Schori's Great Spins.

Ordaining Gays and Lesbians

Jefferts Schori's first Great Spin is her claim that the Episcopal Church has found unity about the ordination and consecration of gays and homosexuals, even though she acknowledges that most places in the Episcopal Church "are shrinking, either slightly, or precipitously." (187) She writes about the decision to ordain gays and homosexuals, "The Episcopal Church recognizes that these decisions are problematic to a number of other Anglicans. We have not made these decisions lightly. We recognize that the spirit has not been widely received in the same way in other parts of the Communion."

What she doesn't mention is that the decision to ordain gays and lesbians has not been widely received in the Episcopal Church and many internally complain about this decision. Indeed, tremendous unrest and turmoil exists within the Episcopal Church. Look at the rapidly declining numbers to see that many are fleeing from this church.

There is no unity in the Episcopal Church and what does exist comes at least partially because of social and canonical pressure placed on people by some bishops, including Jefferts Schori. With its heavy-handed legal action against priests that speak out, the ordained ministry is full of anxious men and women with suppressed words and contagious fear. Who will be the next victim in the frequent accusation of abandoning the communion? How secure is any ordination anymore with the new disciplinary canons granting more power to authorities? Any perceived unity exists because tremendous effort has been put into silencing those who support the Anglican Communion yet stay within the Episcopal Church.

Jefferts Schori also lashes out at unidentified church leaders. She describes a person and then opens it up to multiple people writing, "Congregations wracked by the misbehavior of leaders know something about that, and in The Episcopal Church in the past few years there's been a fair amount of that....A petty tyrant claims the divine right of judgment, power over life and death. . . It happens all around us all the time, when some human tyrant resolves to control other people's lives...Maybe the local bishop decides that he'll only permit priests to move into the diocese who agree with him on every important issue, no matter what their other gifts or shortcomings might be."(207) In her use of an exclusive male pronoun, Jefferts Schori shows her belief that only male bishops do these actions and she targets only them.

We can only speculate to whom she is referring, but that in itself is unprofessional. Why talk about tyrants in leadership of the church and leave everyone around her to fill in the blanks? That's the definition of gossip. Anyway, Jefferts Schori's tyrants might be those in the episcopate who have left the Episcopal Church or could be the Church of England leaders that she recently attacked.

In Jefferts Schori's second Great Spin, she claims that the Episcopal Church has, in solid unity, rejected Archbishop Rowan William's Covenant, as well as the Lambeth 1998 decision of the Anglican Communion about the consecration of homosexuals and lesbians.

Jefferts Schori continues with her pompous use of the royal "we" as she addresses Rowan Williams with these challenging words, "As Episcopalians, we note the troubling push toward centralized authority exemplified in many of the Archbishop of Canterbury's statements." (169) She-still using the "we" pronoun-complains bitterly about sanctions the Episcopal Church could suffer because they consecrate noncelibate gays and lesbians. "We are further distressed that such sanctions do not, apparently, apply to those parts of the Communion that continue to hold one view in public and exhibit other behaviors in private-a wink and a nod to things that go on but are not publicly recognized-such as partnered same-sex clergy in the Church of England." (170)

Taunts Rowan Williams

She then taunts the leaders in the Church of England, and more specifically Archbishop Rowan Williams, by saying that "ignoring that sort of double-mindedness is usually termed a 'failure of nerve.'"(170) She strengthens her attack on Williams by writing, "Why is there no sanction on those who continue with a double standard?"

Her use of the term "double-minded" (not one in common parlance) makes the reader wonder if Jefferts Schori is strengthening her statement by reference to scriptures using this phrase. One of these scriptures reads, "Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you men of double mind." (James 4:8)

The Jefferts Schori Great Spin is now that the Episcopal Church has allowed open homosexual and lesbian relationships for priests and bishops, the church has found purity and strength. She implies that because Church of England have closeted homosexual partners with a "wink and a nod," these United Kingdom church leaders are behind the time and ineffective.

Jefferts Schori's Great Spin says to the Church of England, recognize noncelibate gays and lesbian priests and you will have spiritual, emotional and social purity and strength.

Don't believe it, Archbishop Williams. Ordaining and consecrating sexually-active gay and lesbian priests has unleashed a destructive force in the very midst of the Episcopal Church from which it will likely not recover.

Jefferts Schori Attacks Bible

Jefferts Schori's Great Spin creates many victims, with the Bible itself as among its first victims. The Church overlooked Paul's Letter to the Romans and then soon the Bible faded away in the minds of the priests to a secondary source pulled out to help us understand New Age writers such as David Whyte.

Indeed in this 2011 book, Jefferts Schori has intensified her attack on the scriptures through her non-orthodox interpretation of Biblical scriptures.

Jefferts Schori hopes that the Episcopal Church will achieve this destruction of the scriptures and even the orthodox Christian faith without repercussion. The church has brushed past Lambeth 1998, yet danger now lurks for those who stay in the Episcopal Church, yet respect the spiritual authority of the Anglican Communion. Bishops who defy Lambeth 1998 already label negatively anyone who questions the ordination of sexually active gays and lesbians. Formerly those who do not endorse the ordination of gays and lesbians were called homophobic, but now in The Heartbeat of God Jefferts Schori says those remain loyal to the Anglican Communion have "colonial attitudes." (169)

Now the litmus test in the Episcopal Church is not whether salvation can be found in the Bible, but whether you believe in the consecration of gays and lesbians. Priests are encouraged to force back concerns and sign on the dotted line, or they might end up like the priest from Accokeek, Maryland, Rev. Samuel Edwards, defending himself in federal court against an outraged Bishop Jane Dixon.

Other issues also have come rolling out. Some gay and lesbian priests first shed the heterosexual marriage and the kids, but then start shedding the first committed homosexual relationship because there were mistakes made. Then the Episcopal Church wonders, how many homosexual relationships are allowed? The answer seems to be as many as they want.

Some believe we have the bishop or priest in a committed heterosexual or homosexual relationship with some sexual activity on the side.

Jefferts Schori ordained a sexual predator, Rev. Bede Parry, and left him in the midst of the Episcopal Church. The Presiding Bishop defends herself by saying she only knew of one of his multiple victims. She knew of only one mangled and pain-filled life? Only one life that will remember the horror of an older man forcing himself on him before the victim had a developed will? The horror exists in that Jefferts Schori didn't recognize that one victim is more than enough to know that this predator should not be ordained.

No, recognizing homosexual and lesbian committed relationships does not lead to social peace or spiritual purity. No, we just increase the "winks and nods" until the mangled Bible lies destroyed and the oppressed Episcopal Church cries out for relief.

In her latest book The Heartbeat of God, Jefferts Schori is spinning out of control with her Biblical interpretations and idiosyncratic pronouncements about the Episcopal Church. It is as if Jefferts Schori warbles "Happy Trails, Beloved." to hedonists and a sexual predator, yet unleashes a tirade against bishops she calls "tyrants" who support Archbishop Rowan Williams and the Anglican Communion. And in Jefferts Schori's book The Heartbeat of God, we have a wink and nod about what is really happening in the Episcopal Church.

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Sarah Frances Ives is a regular contributor to Virtueonline. She lives in Washington DC with her husband and two children

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mathman
Posted: 2011/12/19 13:54  Updated: 2011/12/19 13:54
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I wish that this article was satire.
Unfortunately I fear that it is not.
It is, more likely, a feeble and incomplete description of the rampant heresy that this wolf in sheep's miter has brought to us.
Defender of the faith?
Not.
Herb50
Posted: 2011/12/19 14:04  Updated: 2011/12/19 14:04
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Who will undo the damage she continues to sow? Not the House of Bishops! The HOB is at best tame lap dogs and at worst termites to the church.
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I commented in a previous post that it wouldn't be long before the men in white coats came for Schori. After reading this article on her latest rant, I think the arrival is overdue.

Queen Katie has completely lost it. She is into wild delusion and factless rant. Obvious delusions of grandure are featured. There was a time when she was simply a revisionist heretic driving TEC toward becoming an apostate church. It is no longer even a church. It has become a radical socialist advocacy group. Ironically, all those who moan about seperation of church and state have in the past talked in terms of a state sponsored church. Katie now wants a church sponsored state.

When I left TEC I told myself that I would no longer be concerned with the group. I am concerned again because its venom and sewage is seeping out into other areas of society. It is hard to imagine how even the hardest of the hard core TECies can stomach the current stench. The remnant members must be either brain dead or completely oblivious of what their tyrant leader is doing.
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Posted: 2011/12/19 15:44  Updated: 2011/12/19 16:55
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Unfortunately, mathman, this article is not satire; it's the truth. The difference between the two is that Jefferts Schori doesn't know the difference.

That woman has, in the space of just a few short years, done irreparable and fatal damage to the Episcopal Church, and the sad thing is that she knows she has done this damage, and she's done it willingly.

She's made no apologies, and she feels she's done nothing to apologize for, and that has made her dangerous, because she infects everyone and everything she comes into contact with.

There's no guarantee that whoever replaces her when she leaves office will be any different, and so we can safely assume that it is becoming increasingly evident that the Episcopal Church is fast becoming completely irrelevant.

"Brain dead?" I think the Post Mortem is long overdue.
DonHenri
Posted: 2011/12/19 16:59  Updated: 2011/12/19 16:59
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Thankw for the résumé, I wouldn't ever had even opened this book. It's just crazy.
But the solution is not to curse her. On the contrary, we should pray, pray, pray and pray for here and those she is misleading. We must pray that their immortal souls do not become the Other's realm.

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"...the solution is not to curse her. On the contrary, we should pray, pray, pray and pray for her and those she is misleading."

Very, very true. Still, given that Ms Schori is what she is, it is best for all concerned that she express her beliefs freely, openly and emphatically, so that she may be known by all for what she is. Truth in advertising, as it were.

No need to pull punches any more, Kate. You go, girl!
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'The Heartbeat of God' is... breaking God's heart, maybe for the last time?

[It's almost shocking that TEC has continued so far down this road of disobedience.]

.... and I still can't figure out why TEC is so enamored with Islam! [But it's obviously the result of God giving them over to the depraved mind that they crave so much. ]

My guess is she will break publishing records with her new book... for 'all-time lowest sales'.
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In agreement, I'm in prayer for all who earnestly seek Truth! I know our God, will answer their cry. Thank you Jesus.

'The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob." ISA45.17, ROM11.26
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Much as I detest the machinations of Jefferts-Schori (I can't call her a bishop or anything ordained!) I am still in favor of single payer health coverage, and a withdrawal of our troops from the middle east, as she proposes.
One might not try to make biblical proofs for one's political views. To do so is foolish, in my view. After all, the apogee of the Hebrew nation was David and Solomon's reigns, after God had told them earlier that He had only wanted prophets and judges over Israel, as I read the Book. Well, the result was the division of the Holy People, no?
So did God make the USA sovereign by his book acclaiming our republic and all its works? but that is probably a digression.
I could go on, but will not, on this forum which I highly respect so far.

Love to you all

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I might aspire to write something like Tolstoy's War and Peace but whether this will happen is surely in question. So Jesus aspired to live into the fullness of God's intent? Does she mean Jesus "Jesus maybe hoped to do something like God might have wanted? Jesus sounds like a pretty foggy character here, not anything like the powerful revelation of the Godhead the Gospels portray.

Jesus did not have a goal to live into this, but had the full powers of God within his heart and soul. As very God of very God, begotten not made, he did not have a goal to be the beloved Son but was already both God and man."

Schori is beginning to sound more and more like a crypto-Muslim! Is she willing to fast during Ramadan, pray to Mecca five times daily? Take on the hijab? the world wants to know!
But of course not. she wants to be 'Abrahamic lite'!

Rdr. james
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I hold this woman close to my heart. She drove me out of the TEC.
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Amen, legate.

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Toughing it out in TEC is no longer a viable option, if it ever was.
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I would be interested to know how KJS reconciles her Islamophilia with the hatred of homosexuality that exists almost universally in the Moslem religion. The attitude of most Moslems to homosexuality makes the most extreme of Christian "homophobics" seem tame.
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A formal Episcopate was required at the beginning of the Christian Church in the second century to standardize teaching, establish authority and serve as mediator between the laity and God. With the introduction of the printing press in the 16th century, the printed Word became available and Luther established that the mediation was now directly between a priesthood of believers (the laity) and God. The Anglican Church with one foot in with the ideals of the reformation continued with one foot in the Catholic tradition of an Episcopate, but without a formal allegiance to ABC in London compared to Rome.

It appears in this 21st Century both the Catholic and Anglican systems of governance are failing and in fact may not be necessary, yet continue in part because of the charm of their liturgies and declining momentum of church governance. Schori’s role as leader of TEC confirms unambiguously that its Episcopate is not only very expensive, it is not needed; it defies all Reason because of its betrayal of Tradition and embracement of a radical sexual agenda that defies Scripture.

The Dennis Canon appears to have been orchestrated by homosexuals (Louie Crew) coordinated through the Internet to take over and control a once great church. The abject feminist Shrori followed the excesses of Griswold in destroying ECUSA though the control of an Episcopate that now serves Satan and not Christ. This sad indictment stands this Christmas 2011.
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@Otispage2:

You said: "It appears in this 21st Century both the Catholic and Anglican systems of governance are failing".

But the episcopate is not a "system of governance", in the same range of ideas that not ordaining women is not a "policy", but God's will for the Church, expressed by the sacred Tradition.
The episcopate is Christ's will; in conferring this Sacrament to the Apostles, and giving them the ability to transmit it to those they would deem worthy, He gave us the certainty that men appointed and sacred to this holy order will never lack His grace (if they are receptive to it) to undertake their ministry.

..."a priesthood of believers".

Yes, there is a common Priesthood (and Kinghood, and Prophethood) shared by all baptized members of the Church; BUT this Priesthood is different in kind (not only in degree) to the Priesthood conferred by presbyteral ordination. Already in the Old Testament, the Priesthood of the Priests at the Temple was different in kind to the Priesthood confered to the Jewish people.

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Respectfully, DonHenri. I disagree. I believe a formal Episcopate is a part of the "governance" of the Anglican and Catholic religions.

Historically, Irenaeus (130-200) was faced with the missionary task of relying on oral teachings -- since there was no formal Scripture. To bring order facing the Gnostics, he led in establishing an Episcopal order providing the mediation between the Saints and God. Oral teachings were required.

That order changed with Luther's innovations with the printed Word -- ala the technical innovation of the printing press. Literacy became accepted by the masses leading to the Enlightenment.

So, the requirement for a formal Episcopate as a mediator changed -- as practiced today in Evangelical religions: the mediation is directly between the believing Saint and Christ.

This begs the question as to what good is an Episcopate in any event, especially when considering the serious erosion of the “faith” as evidenced by TEC’s and Communion's decline – exemplified further by the confusion in the CofE and the ambivalence of ABC.

It is a system of spiritual governance that has failed and subjected Anglicanism to be “thrown over to itself”. (Rom 1:18-32)

If a church condones sexual sin, such as being substantiated by the homosexual incursion in TEC and the CofE, then that church is going to hell. The Episcopate is not only obsolete – it has failed in protecting the Saints.

I need not highlight further the tragedy in the Catholic domain by the sinful exploitation of young boys there.

I am sorry if this offends you. But that's the way I see it.
UKUSER
Posted: 2011/12/21 10:15  Updated: 2011/12/21 10:15
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Schori gives every impression of being the Madam Mao of TEC. She's so persistently militant in her errors I do wonder whether she's been given over to a retributive hardening of heart in which case she's past praying for. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 seems to sum up her condition.

In response to DonHenri I believe that Episcopalian forms of government are part of the problem not the solution. Witness its ghastely long term fruits in both the Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches. As I've made clear on previous threads I've come to believe it was never a valid mode of church government to begin with.
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@ Otispage:

I respectfully disagree that Bishops are an Iraenean creation. On the contrary, they already exist at apostolic times. The Apostles were the first Bishops of the Church, and when they had to leave a community, or before dying, they appointed by the laying of hands "new apostles", vested with all the powers Christ had conferred to the Apostles, to lead these communities. It is very clear in the Acts of the Apostles, and the Letters of St Pauls, who appointed such "new Apostles" in many communities he had to leave.

"mediation directly beetween the believing Saint and God".
First of all we are no saints! We are fallen sinners.
And secondly, the problem is, by eliminating the Church beetween you and God, yourself becomes the only criterium of the relationship beetween you and God, and if you happen to be wrong... The Church offers us the possibility to confront our relation with God to the Tradition, and to the experiences of many Saints who lived very closely to God (see St Theresa of Avila or St Theresa of Lisieux).

Judging the whole worldwide episcopacy according to a few Bishops in a little Church (TEC) in the US, and the recent scandal in the RCC in the US is not a good idea (perhaps it reflects the enormous ignorance of the Americans of everything that is outside America).
Have you ever heard of the heroic testimony given by those many Bishops martyrs for the Faith in China, Eastern Europe etc...? There are currently Bishops in jail for the Faith in China. Besides, many Bishops, even in America are good ones, leading faithfully and courageously the faithfuls to God. The scandal are due to a very few.

And last, even if you supress Bishops, there will still be people in position of power who will be able to do evil things. There were many cases of pedophilia in the Baptist Church and the Jewish religion that where covered by the high managers of these Faith, wethere they are called Great Rabi, or Ecclesiastical Inspector.

+ PAX et BONUM
Episcodun
Posted: 2011/12/28 22:40  Updated: 2011/12/28 22:47
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Back to the recommendations for prayer--I concur that we should pray for Jefferts Schori. But she also has to come to herself as did the prodigal son (Luke 15.17a).

However, she is currently delusional with power, and this tyrant is fond of attacking others to accuse them of being tyrannical so as to displace her own aggression.

As for this current book, Sarah Frances has provided a good critique. My impressions of Jefferts Schori's ideas in her earlier book A Wing and a Prayer left me wondering whether a Christian could make such revisions (and omissions) of scripture in sermons. But I've now decided that any interfaith person can indeed do so: whatever tickles the ear and whatever sells, Jefferts Schori will dispense.
fyffee
Posted: 2011/12/31 3:24  Updated: 2011/12/31 3:24
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 Re: Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori's Aggression Ag...
"Jefferts Schori bounces from one subject to another with the rapidity of a writer not disciplined by transitional ideas or even rational thought."

thankyou Sarah for this review. It doesnt sound like a book worth reading and much less worth purchasing. You wonder how Jefferts-Shori could have ever attained an advanced degree in any branch of science in her previous career without disciplined rational thought. Does she think that theology is any different in that respect, or is rational thought allowed to go out the window when we engage with the queen of sciences.

And also - if she was really so concerned about the environment, should she not have insisted on this book being published only in electronic form, or is she quite happy for a forest of trees to be cut down to print this lot of drivel?

I suppose the one positive note in this is that the more time she spends on writing books the less time she has to persecute the faithful saints in the church. May she write many more books and prove to the world what a nutter she is.
ACLins
Posted: 2012/1/1 19:29  Updated: 2012/1/1 19:29
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 Re: Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori's Aggression Ag...
"Jefferts Schori bounces from one subject to another with the rapidity of a writer not disciplined by transitional ideas or even rational thought."

Classic!
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