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Culture Wars : Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Posted by David Virtue on 2010/3/3 15:10:00 (1278 reads)

Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships

by Dave Bohon
http://tinyurl.com/yjl6swz
February 15, 2010

Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, came out in early February with a bit of audacious scriptural interpretation meant to justify the actions of men and women who wish to practice both the Christian faith as well as a lifestyle condemned in the Bible. Robinson was given the opportunity to flesh out his "inclusive" theology during an appearance at the National Press Club, where he helped to announce the launch of a pro-homosexual "American Prayer Hour," designed to "affirm inclusive values and call on all nations ... to decriminalize the lives of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people."

Following a news conference announcing the pro-homosexual religious initiative, Robinson was approached by a reporter from the Cybercast News Service, who questioned the bishop about a particular scripture passage, Romans 1:22-27, which Christians since the early Church era have taken to be a strong admonition against homosexual behavior. Asked whether the Apostle Paul was right in his assertion that homosexual relations were against the laws of nature set up by God, Robinson said that a proper response to the question would take about "two days to answer."

Nonetheless, said the Episcopal Church's first openly homosexual bishop, "I'll try to give you the Cliff's Notes version" - which included the news that the notion someone could be born with a homosexual orientation is a fairly recent revelation, no more than 125 years old. Robinson explained that in the passage in question, "St. Paul was talking about people that he understood to be heterosexual engaging in same-sex acts. It never occurred to anyone in ancient times that a certain minority of us would be born being affectionally [sic] oriented to people of the same sex."

Thus, "it did seem like against their nature to be doing so," said Robinson, referring to Paul's admonition that those involved in homosexual acts were exchanging natural relations for unnatural ones.

Robinson argued that more than anything, Paul was using the Romans 1 passage to condemn a Roman custom in which older men would take in younger boys for the purposes of sex. "No one is arguing for [child abuse] today," he assured the reporter. "We would all be against that. We would all agree with St. Paul on that."

Robinson asserted that the "real question when you look at scripture is, 'What did it mean to the person who wrote it? What did it mean for the audience to whom it was written?... And in this case, I would say, the things that St. Paul was against, I'm against, too." Which means that, as far as Robinson is concerned, Paul was only condemning homosexual acts committed by individuals who were not born "affectionally oriented to people of the same sex."

Robinson added that "the question is, are there any answers there for what we're asking today, which is the rightfulness of faithful monogamous lifelong-intentioned relationships between people of the same sex, and the bible simply does not address that."

In an effort to nail the bishop down on his slippery explanation to what Christians have always taken to be a straight-forward censure of any and all homosexual acts, the reporter asked Robinson if he thought the apostle Paul was incorrectly condemning homosexuality. To which the bishop responded, "No, I think St. Paul was absolutely correct in his own context given what he knew, and given the behavior which he was describing."

Concluded Robinson, "The questions we're asking today are about a completely different set of circumstances" - which was his way of saying that the original rules toward homosexuality have changed as society's understanding has "evolved," and what God proscribed as sinful behavior throughout the entirety of the Old and New Testaments has now become an act that Christians must join the rest of society in accepting, embracing, and even celebrating.

While Robinson's interpretation of Scripture has been aggressively voiced by a small core of homosexuals who call themselves Christians, their behavior continues to be condemned as sin by both Protestant and Catholic Church leaders. For example, the Catechism of the Catholic Church describes homosexual tendencies as "objectively disordered," while homosexual acts are condemned as "contrary to the natural law" and can "under no circumstances" be approved.

One of the most vocal critics of the theology that Episcopal leaders like Robinson have embraced concerning sexuality has been Nicholas Thomas Wright, a biblical scholar and Bishop of Durham in the Church of England. Writing in the London Times, Wright noted that "Jewish, Christian, and Muslim teachers have always insisted that lifelong man-plus-woman marriage is the proper context for sexual intercourse. This is not an arbitrary rule, dualistic in overtone and killjoy in intention. It is a deep structural reflection of the belief in a creator God who has entered into covenant both with his creation and with his people."

He added that it is "the uniform teaching of the whole Bible, of Jesus himself, and of the entire Christian tradition."

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eChurch
Posted: 2010/3/3 18:47  Updated: 2010/3/3 18:47
Not too shy to talk
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From: UK
Posts: 26
 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Gosh you couldn't make this up, oh hold on, Bishop gene just did
Cennydd
Posted: 2010/3/3 18:50  Updated: 2010/3/3 18:51
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
This is what St Paul said:

Romans 1:22-27

22. Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23. And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man -- and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25. Who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

What part of this does Vickie Gene not understand?

By justifying same-sex physical acts, he is helping to spread unspeakable disease and eventual early death....ALL of which are preventable, yet he and his ilk choose to ignore all of the warnings of the medical professionals who have to deal with these diseases every day!

I'm no professional, but I think this man is psychologically troubled.

Cennydd
DavidJacks
Posted: 2010/3/3 22:32  Updated: 2010/3/3 22:32
Just can't stay away
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From: Upper Toadtown, California
Posts: 108
 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
The Dear Bishop Wright also has on line quite a long article about twisting the Bible to allow WO. He states somewhere else that he has nothing against women as Bishops.

C of E is not far behind TEC.

Regards to all.
otispage2
Posted: 2010/3/4 3:05  Updated: 2010/3/4 3:42
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Romans 1:18-32 clearly reveals God's Wrath against nonbelievers denying the evidence of God's revelation. God’s anger regarding unbelief proclaims itself in the form of His Wrath.

One must be reasonably discerning in judging the Wrath’s apparent manifestations in a nonbeliever’s life. But that assessment is clear regarding Robinson’s false witness!

What about the evidence that God proclaims about Himself?

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." (Rom 1:18,19)

God's wrath is demonstrated in a number of ways, where God gives the nonbeliever over to the certain manifestations of "self", one manifestation being same-sex sexual lust and behavior. Repeating what Cennydd stated above:

"Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also men abandoned the natural function of the women and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their errors." (Rom 1:2427)

For Robinson to assert that God' revelation only pertained "to a Roman custom in which older men would take in younger boys for the purposes of sex" dismisses the total context of God's Wrath as expressed in Romans 1:18-32, and as it specifically relates to unbelief.

This begs the question that since Robinson does not understand God's teachings on the Wrath in the context of unbelief, is he a true believer?

The answer is found in his witness defying Scripture and Tradition, and the lie he propounds here, that proves he is not a believer, that he is a counterfeit Christian!

The Wrath is evident in Robinson's life because of his "ungodliness and unrighteousness", and by "suppressing the truth in unrighteousness." That is the truth as to why he is a homosexual. It is his rationalized choice to defy God and His revelations in Scripture that unambiguously condemns same-sex sexual behavior.
BhamAtty
Posted: 2010/3/4 3:58  Updated: 2010/3/4 3:58
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
He is an alumnus of Sewanee National Gay University. Gay Sewanee's theology faculty nominated him for an honorary degree a few years ago.

Pro homosexual Sewanee Chancellor Neal Alexandre will eventually award gay Robinson the Sewanee degree. Alexandre has till 2015 before he runs for presiding bishop again, and he can give gay Robinson the Sewanee honor at the perfect moment as front running political propaganda and vote buying.

Imagine Gay Sewanee's All Saints' Chapel filled with crying, cheering, swooning TEC gays from across the county who are there to celebrate Sewanee's "finally having done the right thing, even though it took too long!"
quest
Posted: 2010/3/4 11:35  Updated: 2010/3/4 11:35
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From: Ft. Pierce, FL
Posts: 15
 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Using Gene Robinson's logic, homosexuals are born with a the homosexual trait and therefore not sinning when having same sex relations unless it's with a heterosexual , then I would have to assume that sexual relations with heterosexuals like his wife is an act of perversion. Is he saying that his children are the result of an act of perversion?
SixDays
Posted: 2010/3/4 11:57  Updated: 2010/3/4 11:57
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Oh good grief!

For the life of me I can't figure out how anyone takes this guy(?) serious.
jfmckenna
Posted: 2010/3/4 14:00  Updated: 2010/3/4 14:00
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Part of the problem with people like him is a steadfast refusal to examine consequences. If disease-ridden gays were writhing at his feet,he'd be ascribing their problems to homophobia. My experience commenting on pro-gay blogs bears this out.
Cennydd
Posted: 2010/3/4 15:35  Updated: 2010/3/4 15:38
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
As you have so aptly said, no matter how often you point out to these people the consequences of their acts, the more they will ignore the warnings of the medical professionals who have to deal with them and their easily preventable diseases.

These people are slowly committing suicide! It may take them years (the average is twenty years or less off their lives) to do it, but the results are the same as if they held guns to their heads and pulled the triggers.

Cennydd
Sihugo
Posted: 2010/3/6 20:47  Updated: 2010/3/6 20:47
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
So just to make this clear in my mind....If I (a happily married heterosexual male) were to lay with another man it would be a sin. However, a man who decides he is "born homosexual" can lay with a man and it is not a sin!!?? Interesting.....where is the Biblical documentation on this?
Cennydd
Posted: 2010/3/8 1:51  Updated: 2010/3/8 1:51
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Ummm, I think it's in Vickie Gene's imagination.

Cennydd
savspapa
Posted: 2010/3/8 18:32  Updated: 2010/3/8 18:32
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Paul goes further and says in Rom. 1:32, "Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Shame on VGR and everyone like him who ignores Scripture and defies God's commands, but also blesses and encourages others of like mind to continue in these practices.
kepha
Posted: 2010/3/9 22:27  Updated: 2010/3/9 22:27
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
"St. Paul was talking about people that he understood to be heterosexual engaging in same-sex acts..."

What about people who were created as the image of God engaging in devilish acts?
kepha
Posted: 2010/3/9 22:30  Updated: 2010/3/9 22:30
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 Re: Homosexual Bishop Theologizes on Same-sex Relationships
Maybe if monogamous people start sleeping around, it's sin; but if "born polygamists and polyandrists" do it, it's OK?

Pfffflflllffphtttttthpf!
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