ARKANSAS: Episcopal Priest Praises Mohammed, Vishnu, Buddha, Confucius in Rogue All Saints Liturgy
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
November 20, 2009
When parishioners filed into St. John's Episcopal Church in Harrison, Arkansas, on All Saints Sunday, November 1, they were handed a bulletin that sent shivers down the spines of many of the congregants. It was a case of inclusion gone wild.
The "Litany of all the Saints of God" part of their Sunday liturgy read as follows:
Litany of all the Saints of God
CELEBRANT: Blessed are all you holy ones, the saints, you who have done the will of God, and now rejoice in the reward of Eternal joy.
Holy men and women who worshipped the All Holy One as Rama, Vishnu or the Lord Krishna, forest hermits, ascetics and wise ones whose lives were incarnations of the holy books the Vedas, Upanishads and Gita -
ALL: All you Hindu saints; we praise you for holy are you.
CELEBRANT: Monks, nuns and all holy followers of the blessed Buddha, who, in the peace of Zen, created peace in others; All who sought the bliss of Nirvana with dedication and practiced justice and compassion toward all.
ALL: All you Buddhist saints, we praise you for holy are you.
CELEBRANT: Chosen people of God, children of Abraham and Sara, saints Moses, Ruth, and Rebeccas, holy prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah, all prophets and prophetesses, all you martyrs of Dachau and Buchenwald,
ALL: All you Jewish saints we praise you for holy are you.
CELEBRANT: Saints Confucius, Lao Tzu and Chaung Tzu of China, all holy men and women of the Orient, you who lived lives balancing the yin and the yang, and all who found wisdom and grace in the Tao.
ALL: All you Chinese saints, we praise you for holy are you.
CELEBRANT: Holy prophet Mohammed and all holy saints of Islam, all who surrender to the will of Allah: Holy Martyrs of Islam, who with your lives declared the Allah is One and only One, all you whirling dervishes and mystic Sufis, you ecstatic lovers of the divine Beloved.
ALL: All you saints of the Koran, we praise you, for holy are you.
CELEBRANT: All you Incas of Peru, holy Mayans and Aztecs of Mexico, all you Native children of the sun and stars, you who with creative love and sacrifice raised up wondrous temples to your God, holy followers of Lord Khonvum, God of the Pygmies, holy ones of Tane, god of the Polynesians
ALL: All you saints of all tribes, we praise you for holy are you
CELEBRANT: Saints of the Iroquois, Delaware, Dakotas, Hopi and Sioux, holy ones of the Cheyenne, Navajo and Pawnee, Medicine men and women, visionaries and healers, all to whom the animals, fish and trees spoke
ALL: All you Native saints; we praise you, for holy are you
CELEBRANT: All saints of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Gospel, holy husbands and wives, nuns and monks, clergy and missionaries and people of God, all you who lived gospel lives serving others, caring for the poor, the abandoned, and the sick; All you reformers, preachers and teachers, all you holy hermits and mystics. All you Christian saints, we praise you, for holy are you.
All you saints in heaven, we praise you; all you saints on earth we praise you; all you canonized and uncanonized saints, we praise you; all you struggling to be saints, we praise you; all who are unaware that you are saints we praise you; Blessed be all you inside-out saints who are presently sinners, And blessed are all you who believe in the Communion of saints.
Contacted by VirtueOnline, the rector of the parish, Seamus Doyle said that he had been using the liturgy for about 10 years. "I have never thought of sending it to the bishop for his approval or non- approval. I saw no reason to send it to him; it is not contrary to our beliefs."
Asked if he had written it, Doyle said no. He said he believes that a Roman Catholic priest Fr. Edward Hays, a longtime teacher, founder of a house of prayer, and author may have written it, but he wasn't sure.
VOL contacted Arkansas Bishop Larry R. Benfield to ask if this liturgy had been approved. Through his communications officer Micah McConnell the bishop issued the following statement:
"I am a supporter of interfaith dialogue. I look forward to the day when the many barriers that now separate us can be removed. But interfaith dialogue works best when we are confident of our own Christian faith and can articulate it clearly."
McConnell said the bishop would be in touch with the Rev. Seamus Doyle.
However, a former Episcopalian who is now a bishop in the Reformed Episcopal Church, the Rt. Rev Sam Seamans who received a copy of the bulletin incredulously asked, "Can you believe this? I really am at a loss, even coming from a TEC parish. It is truly unbelievable.
"I could not believe my eyes: In the litany praised are the "saints" of Islam and Allah, Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Lord Khodvum and all the Native tribes and that's just some of them. Christian Saints were finally mentioned but only in the final portion of the litany."
Asked why he forwarded this to VOL, the bishop said, "I do think that we need to expose these kinds of things because they are leading so many people astray. When a parishioner hands me something like this from an "Anglican" church in my own state I am going to respond - part of what we promise to do as bishops is to drive out strange and erroneous doctrines.
"In light of Ephesians 4 (one faith, one Lord, one Baptism, one God and Father of us all....), I don't know how anyone who takes the Bible seriously could recite something like this in a Christian church," said Bishop Seamans.
Doyle told VOL that he had received no flack over the years for using the liturgy and said he saw no contradiction in using it.
Below is the full text of the bishops' response to VOL:
Regarding Prayers of the People and Litanies That Refer to Saints
19 November 2009
The liturgy is the primary method by which we teach theology in the Episcopal Church. The Book of Common Prayer makes the following statements:
The Catechism (p. 862) states that the "communion of saints is the whole family of God, the living and the dead, those whom we love and those whom we hurt, bound together in Christ in sacrament, prayer, and praise".
The fourth Solemn Collect for Good Friday states, "Merciful God, creator of all the peoples of the earth and lover of souls: Have compassion on all who do not know you as you are revealed in your Son Jesus Christ; let your Gospel be preached with grace and power to those who have not heard it; turn the hearts of those who resist it; and bring home to your fold those who have gone astray; that there may be one flock under one shepherd, Jesus Christ our Lord."
Furthermore, the Prayer Book states that the Prayers of the People will include prayers for the "Universal Church, its members, and its mission." In light of that rubric, one of the collects for the Mission of the Church (p. 257) states, "Remember the multitudes who have been created in your image but have not known the redeeming work of our Savior Jesus Christ; and grant that, by the prayers and labors of your holy Church, they may be brought to know and worship you as you have been revealed in your Son."
"I am a supporter of interfaith dialogue. I look forward to the day when the many barriers that now separate us can be removed. But interfaith dialogue works best when we are confident of our own Christian faith and can articulate it clearly."
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| patulous | Posted: 2009/11/20 13:32 Updated: 2009/11/20 13:32 |
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This priest nurtures his insanity as does schori.
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| railbirdbc | Posted: 2009/11/20 13:52 Updated: 2009/11/20 13:52 |
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Big deal! It's not that inclusive. He left out the Wiccans and Satanists. Actually, this goon is committing the same sin Ahab committed -- worshiping false gods in place of Jehovah.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/11/20 14:01 Updated: 2009/11/20 14:20 |
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Doyle+ deserves a good chewing out, so let's hear it! And ditto for those in his congregation who sat in their pews and never said anything against his heresy!
Cennydd |
| MrMerlin77 | Posted: 2009/11/20 14:25 Updated: 2009/11/20 14:25 |
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Some one needs to take this guy out and give him a good thrashing. Maybe it'll knock some sense into him.
What an insane idiot! |
| gillis | Posted: 2009/11/20 14:29 Updated: 2009/11/20 14:29 |
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This is an honest priest. He has no inhibition in publicly rxpressing the fact that the Episcopal Church is no longer Christian, but Universalist. Christian tradition is simply a symbolic veneer giving cultural context to New Age religion. This dude is living in the Age of Aquarius. Let the Sun shine! (Peace signs spinning in my eyeyeyeyes)
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| aterry | Posted: 2009/11/20 14:57 Updated: 2009/11/20 14:57 |
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Alllrighty then... This is like Granola after ya take out the grains and fruit... Just plain nuts. I agree with the previous commenter as it does demonstrate beyond a doubt that, institutionally, TEC has clearly become a post-christian entity.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/11/20 15:54 Updated: 2009/11/20 15:54 |
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I hereby nominate The Episcopal Church and all of its adherents for membership in the Unitarian Universalist Association.
Oops! I can't do that, can I? I'm not a Unitarian! But still, the idea's a good one, isn't it? Cennydd |
| jfmckenna | Posted: 2009/11/20 16:03 Updated: 2009/11/20 19:46 |
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Terminal Confucian.
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| larsil | Posted: 2009/11/20 16:38 Updated: 2009/11/20 16:38 |
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I'm glad I read this article. If I ever see something like this done in a church I'm attending, I will choose to WALK OUT - and after dialogue with the clergyman responsible, I would then make a decision whether or not to return.
I believe in dialogue. I do not believe in syncretistic worship. There is a profound difference. ---L. |
| warmac9999 | Posted: 2009/11/20 16:55 Updated: 2009/11/20 16:55 |
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TEC is a unitarian universalist church in the making. TEC is a post-Christian organization in much the same way the President Obama is a post-American president.
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| FrWells | Posted: 2009/11/20 18:31 Updated: 2009/11/20 18:33 |
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I recall attending Sunday Mass in a flagship Anglo-Catholic parish somewhere north of Richmond VA on the Sunday after All Saints Day in 1976, just weeks after the fatal Minneapolis GC which authorized WO and the 79 liturgy. The Rector's sermon was pretty good, until the point at which he mentioned Mahatma Ghandi as a Christian saint. Ironically, that Rector, now retired, worships in a Continuing Church. But this was a wake-up call for me, when I realized the crisis was much larger than commonly supposed.
It is not hard to do a theological critique of this stuff. The First Commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me," takes care of it completely. |
| Traktaryan | Posted: 2009/11/20 18:40 Updated: 2009/11/20 18:40 |
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railbirdbc wrote:
"He left out the Wiccans and Satanists." He also left out the New Orleans Saints. Don't believe for one moment that the Wiccans and Satanists aren't going to be next. They are. This is where it is heading, and it's picking up speed now. |
| ICCEC | Posted: 2009/11/20 18:43 Updated: 2009/11/20 18:43 |
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He Should be added to the Wall of Shame:
http://www.psalm19-7.com/homosexuality-in-the-church.html |
| ICCEC | Posted: 2009/11/20 20:21 Updated: 2009/11/20 20:21 |
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I really agree with you Traktaryan. With the New Orleans Saints being undefeated, he must mention them also.
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| 1928BCP4Me | Posted: 2009/11/20 21:26 Updated: 2009/11/20 21:26 |
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Well, those folks who have spent the last 30 years calling Our Lord "you" and hugging and hopping around "passing the peace" have got their next Presiding Bishop. I'm surprised he's not already in the House of Clowns...I mean Bishops.
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| Statmann | Posted: 2009/11/20 23:25 Updated: 2009/11/20 23:25 |
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Well, at least the good people of St. John's heard it for the first time. Think of the poor souls back in Kentucky and Missouri that had the nine previous years. Fr. Seamus may have picked it up from the Wee People back in Ireland. On the bright side, as Fr. Doyle was a Roman Catholic priest who married, the parish won't have to worry that he might cross the Tiber. Statmann
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| blackshama | Posted: 2009/11/21 0:01 Updated: 2009/11/21 0:01 |
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They forgot the response
ALL: All ye Holy rocks and stones, we praise you. tsk tsk.. Not inclusive enough, this TEC priest left out animists! |
| R_V_Winkle | Posted: 2009/11/21 0:04 Updated: 2009/11/21 0:04 |
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So what's next? An Asherah pole in the cathedral?
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| SolaScript | Posted: 2009/11/21 0:59 Updated: 2009/11/21 0:59 |
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He could have shortened the liturgy if he just prayed, "To Whom it May Concern..."
This stuff from TEC makes me happy to be part of the Anglican Church of Canada...wait a minute!!?? The farce that is called the TEC tricked me into saying that...ACoC is not that far behind...I'm Anglican, but without a Christian church to attend! May God have mercy on us all! SolaScript |
| Class1976 | Posted: 2009/11/21 2:35 Updated: 2009/11/21 2:46 |
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Where did Doyle receive his theological "training"? Sound like a good Sewanee man to me, celebrating the diversity and what not.
Bishop Benefield is an owning bishop of Sewanee. He's probably not offended at the Diversity (interfaith diologue) liturgy, just offended that anyone would notice and complain. |
| morrismpls | Posted: 2009/11/21 2:41 Updated: 2009/11/21 2:41 |
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Holy Aztecs?!? AZTECS! The human sacrificing AZTECS?!? Well, what the heck. TEO is part of the RCRC that supports abortion through all nine months.
What's not "holy" about human sacrfice? Why not throw in some cannibalism for good measure? And the bishop's weak-kneed response? What the heck is he afraid of? The wrath of Ba'al? |
| Cookie1054 | Posted: 2009/11/21 12:48 Updated: 2009/11/21 12:48 |
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I'm not sure if this is a parody or not, but it sounds like TEC. My question is this: Why is this news? A heretic acting like a heretic in an apostate organization should surprise no one.
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| Baring-G | Posted: 2009/11/21 22:36 Updated: 2009/11/21 22:36 |
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St. Francis Xavier, missionary to India and the Orient is said to have declared,"The gods of the pagans are devils." The incredible litany recounted in the article is indicative of the direction of flow of The Ever-Inclusive Church of What's Happpening Now (TEC). St. Francis Xavier, pray for us.
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| Liberty | Posted: 2009/11/22 3:25 Updated: 2009/11/22 3:25 |
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The danger as G.K. Chesterton said is not that they will believe anything, but that they believe everything. It's like whereever you go in life that's where you'll be.
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| tgo15hdb | Posted: 2009/11/23 17:37 Updated: 2009/11/23 17:37 |
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I note the absence of any of the classical pantheon, such as Zeus or Hercules, or any of the Nordic heroes (Odin, Thor, etc.). So much for inclusion.
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| anilwang | Posted: 2009/11/23 19:22 Updated: 2009/11/23 19:22 |
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Cennydd,
Of course you can. Unitarians include everyone, so everyone gets a vote. ![]() This is definitely Unitarian Church territory. I went into a Unitarian Church service once in Montreal during Mother's day, not knowing their theology. The liturgy was pretty much the same, blessing mothers, and grandmothers who are also mothers, and fathers who are also mothers, and mentors who are also mothers, and friends who are also mothers, and younger siblings who are also mothers, and friends who are also mothers, and children who emotionally support their parents who are also mothers, and people who donate to charity...they too are mothers. The service spent so much time trying to include everyone in Mother's Day that the word Mother lost all meaning. "They say Tash, you say Aslan. They're all the same -- just Tashlan by a different name". Sigh, there needs to be some distinction. I'm more afraid of the "all is one crowd" than I am of the outright evil religions. At least with the evil religions, you're forced to wake up and stand up for what is valuable. With the "all is one crowd", you're lulled into sleep and any distinction you affirm is included along with its opposite as equally valid so you're disarmed. |
| CHS007 | Posted: 2009/11/23 21:54 Updated: 2009/11/23 21:54 |
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WOW!!!WTF!!!
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| Socrates | Posted: 2009/11/23 22:17 Updated: 2009/11/23 22:17 |
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High Church Unitarians
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| ahg1977 | Posted: 2009/11/24 2:00 Updated: 2009/11/24 2:00 |
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Well, well... can't say I'm shocked, unfortunately. I'm just wondering how long it will be until TEC starts baptizing and offering the Eucharist to pets.
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| jfmckenna | Posted: 2009/11/24 22:11 Updated: 2009/11/24 22:11 |
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Now now. No intolerance! Let's include the cargo cult. Here's a description from the Internet: "With the end of the war, the airbases were abandoned, and cargo was no longer dropped. In response, cults developed within remote Melanesian populations that promised to bestow the followers with deliveries of food, arms, jeeps, etc., from their own ancestors, or other sources, as had happened to the outsider armies. In attempts to get cargo to fall by parachute or land in planes or ships again, islanders imitated the same practices they had seen the soldiers, sailors, and airmen use. Cult behaviors usually involved mimicking the day to day activities and dress styles of US soldiers, such as performing parade ground drills with wooden or salvaged rifles."
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| railbirdbc | Posted: 2009/11/25 11:48 Updated: 2009/11/25 11:48 |
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jfmckenna:
Cargo cult? I love it! It makes perfect sense to me. Monty Python, move over!!! |
| OnTheRight | Posted: 2009/11/26 4:07 Updated: 2009/11/26 4:34 |
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"I'm not sure if this is a parody or not, but it sounds like TEC."
............... Heh. Every time I think that they can't stray any farther, that they can't sink any lower, that they can't inflict any abomination more gross than what they've already inflicted... They always find a way. |
| RevRL | Posted: 2009/12/5 0:36 Updated: 2009/12/5 0:36 |
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I grieve for those who feel called by God to stay, and I support them with sincere prayer.
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| Hoofin | Posted: 2009/12/5 10:03 Updated: 2009/12/5 10:36 |
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It sounds like he was trying to inject some of the idea of the "Inner Light" of Quakerism into his preaching (John 1:9). Or create a ritual of pan-theism.
Since I live in Japan, it is hard for me argue that God does not work through religions other than Christianity. And in fact He must. The line probably got crossed when he referred to holy people of other religions as "Saints". Saints is usually a reserved term for people who were Christians, although I could see it extended to Old Testament figures who are part of the story. The people killed in Dachau and Buchenwald are VICTIMS, not saints. We don't know what lives they lived, we just know how they died. It is no doubt clear and undebatable that practically all (the vast vast vast majority) did not "deserve" what happened to them. And, this was mostly Jews there but the Nazis went after a number of different groups who were stripped of whatever amounted to "civil rights" in the Nazi regime. The Nazi also threw common criminals and high criminals in there (for real crimes). I am sure there are holy people within Islam, but I don't think they qualify as "Saints". Eastern religions are quite different from Abrahamic ones, so it is also quite a bit to imagine that people were "Saints" within them, although objectively they lived very holy lives. There are no doubt members of the New Orleans Saints who are very religious. Gandhi was a man of peace but I am not certain he would be a "Saint", and I also think he might object to being considered a follower of Christ, given what the British did in India. Just my opinion. A number of Protestant denominations don't believe in "Saints" in the sense of Catholics, so I don't know how to square bringing in the so-called "pagans" when other Christians don't acknowledge saints at all. I think if priests had to go collect their paychecks from the people whose other religious ideas they bring in, they would quickly shut up and you wouldn't have this problem. It's the fact they are assured of a check, this is why you get this. I think the Quakers called them "hireling priests". |
| Luther | Posted: 2009/12/6 11:32 Updated: 2009/12/6 11:32 |
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1. Doing this is positively evil.
2. It is a direct result of failure to discipline on doctrinal matters over a period of many years - beginning with the Anglo-Catholic infiltration of a Protestant church in the 1860's, and the acceptance of the human denial of scripture that is evolutionism. |
| Bulwark | Posted: 2009/12/10 14:17 Updated: 2009/12/10 14:17 |
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The church exists to promote the faith of Jesus Christ and his apostles. If we abandon our calling to share common cause with the "religious" throughout the world, we are as has been said "people who are among all men most to be pitied."
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| Fr-Chip | Posted: 2010/1/6 17:39 Updated: 2010/1/6 17:39 |
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Absolutely apostate--may God grant these deceived and blind guides vision.
There are Anglican parishes out there that are reliable, orthodox and have not bent the knee to Baal. To the faithful remaining in TEC--find them. Scripture rightly teaches that we must be agreed to walk together. |































