Episcopal Dioceses Face Downsizing, Closing Parishes, More Departures
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
November 4, 2009
A number of congregations in the Episcopal Diocese of Maine are on the brink of bankruptcy with over 50% of its parishes receiving grants-in-aid. This has lead to the curtailing of funding for mission programming at the diocesan level and no money left to support the buildings or their budgets.
The Rt. Rev. Stephen T. Lane, in an address to his diocese, said that several of his congregations face "literal bankruptcy" and that tweaking the system and the budget will no longer work. He argued that what is needed is something he called "Adaptive Change."
"What we're always trying to do is tweak the system, tweak the budget, so it works a little better, a little more efficiently. We're always trying to build a better mouse trap or give ourselves a little more breathing room. We're trying to make the old system work as well as it possibly can work. But what if things have changed so much that the system itself no longer will serve? What if we've squeezed every penny out of every dollar? What if, instead of tweaking the system, we have to adapt to the change? What if we have to build a new system? What if we have to learn a new way to be church? That work is called Adaptive Change."
Lane said that every congregation he visited was engaged, to some degree, in Technical Change. He admitted, "I think we've about run out the string. We can't continue for long with over 50% of our congregations receiving grants-in-aid."
Lane said that the diocesan budget would be smaller this year than in over in a decade. "Many of our congregations are struggling with buildings that need a great deal of work and cost far too much to heat. The average age in many congregations continues to rise and the average attendance continues to decline. And people ask me every week, why don't my children come to church? How can we get young families back to church? How can we bring teenagers into our church? How can we find a new generation to take the load off our backs?
"How can we get our old church back so we can retire in peace with a good conscience? I think the answer to our questions is beyond a technical fix. I think we need to be a new church."
Lane admitted that an effort to bring together clergy and lay leaders to a conference to address a plan to rescue the diocese failed. The "wise heads" gathered for the conference weren't fully satisfied with the plan and didn't know if they wanted to volunteer for the work. A number of them decided not to volunteer, he wrote. The bishop said that as a result of the failure to deal with the failing diocese, "it may mean some congregations seeing themselves as ministry sites rather than worship sites. It may mean new ways of calling and paying clergy. It may mean deeper ecumenical and community partnerships - shared facilities and shared clergy. It may mean a return to circuit riders and house churches. It may mean - probably does mean - solutions I can't imagine."
Lane described the situation as "urgent" saying that he was in conversation with several congregations who can no longer afford their budgets or their buildings, and who are facing literal bankruptcy.
DIOCESE OF WESTERN MASSACHUSETTS
From the Diocese of Western Massachusetts comes word that church building closures are a common theme this year. Bishop Gordon Scruton observed that closing churches is an expensive business, and there is no ready market for such churches.
The bishop admitted that the diocese could no longer afford to keep and maintain the diocesan church camp called Bement. "We have also had to face the reality that we are not able to maintain all our church buildings. The Church has far too many buildings that have ceased to serve a useful purpose. In the last century, before the days of the automobile, many churches were built too close to one another, and today they are struggling for survival. Often one would suffice where two or three now exist because they are only a few minutes apart by automobile. We must begin to think in terms of combining such churches, having team ministries, or, in cases where budgets are small, having them staffed by clergy who during much of the week are engaged in secular employment. All of this is going to involve some bold and farsighted re-thinking in the near future.
"I would urge all of our people to get over the idea that the Church is a building. It is not a building at all. Instead, a Church is people, and it exists whether they meet in an ecclesiastical structure or in a storefront or in somebody's home. The place of meeting is not all-important and the sooner we accept this the freer we shall be to plan constructively for the future. Small struggling churches located not far from other Episcopal churches, will have to be combined....It is very important that we face this realistically and prepare now for an orderly change instead of drifting planlessly into a future that we are afraid to confront." Scruton admitted that over this past year, the diocese has began to talk more openly about the reality that there are more church buildings than can be supported. The bishop cited the 125-year old St. John's church in Worcester, which closed because the people came to recognize and accept their lack of energy, money and people to carry on the ministry of the congregation. The organ of St. John's will provide music for St. Michael's in Worcester. The Iglesia Cristiana Natanael will continue worshipping at St John's with the bishop tacitly acknowledging that another congregation will soon rent St. John's building with the possibility of purchase.
Scruton said that closing a congregation requires an enormous amount of time, energy and money on the part of a congregation and diocesan staff. "It is expensive and time consuming to maintain empty church buildings when there is no congregation there to oversee those responsibilities. The architecture and real estate market make it difficult to sell church buildings. In the future, closing a congregation will impact all the parishes of the diocese through shared expenses in our diocesan budget."
The bishop hinted broadly that the closing of Bement and St. John's impacted the diocese financially and "raised strategic questions about the future of our ministry in the Diocese of Western Massachusetts."
The bishop said he sent a Pastoral Mission Letter to the whole diocese inviting it to reflect on the "sobering challenges we are facing" and "to explore the creative new opportunities for ministry that God's Spirit is opening for us in our new situation." The letter, he said, generated much discussion across the diocese. "Berkshire County wardens and clergy have gathered for three Summits to explore moving from isolated ministry to cooperative ministries. Churches in the South Berkshires are experimenting with new creative ways of working together. The Adams and North Adams congregations have entered into a covenant to discern how God is calling them to walk together. They worship as one congregation twice a month. In North Worcester, clergy and wardens have also held three Summits to explore possibilities of sharing ministry in that region. Other congregations across the diocese are beginning to initiate conversations about ways of sharing ministry. These conversations are a grass roots movement of the Holy Spirit. We will need to keep nurturing these regional conversations and creative partnerships as the context out of which God will guide us to new configurations of ministry in this new mission situation."
DIOCESE OF WESTERN NEW YORK
In the Diocese of Western New York, outgoing Bishop Michael Garrison discovered, much to his surprise, that he could not afford to support a church plant meeting in the vacated St. Bartholomew's property. Last year St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church ceased to exist. The congregation, the largest in the diocese and thoroughly orthodox, bought an old synagogue and became St. Bartholomew's Anglican Church. Of course Garrison could have cut a deal with the departing parish but chose not to. They left the property and now he has to sell it. The community of St. Peter's in Forestville announced that they have left The Episcopal Church denuding the diocese of much needed income. The bishop then admitted that many parishes are in financial difficulty and that the diocese will need to reduce the number of church buildings in the next few years. His retirement will be a blessing in this case. His successor will have the "joy" of closing more parishes. "In the last few months I have met with vestries and leaders of a number of our parishes who are experiencing financial difficulties. The financial crisis we experience in our nation and world exacerbates and highlights this difficulty. In many parishes the trouble has been brought on by an over dependence on endowments. The leadership of our congregations needs to be wise and prudent in these matters. All of us are called upon to live within our means. "We also need to ask ourselves over the next few years, if we can any longer support the number of church buildings in which our community worships."
Is juncturing with another diocese in their future?
DIOCESE OF NEW JERSEY
The Rt. Rev. George Councell, Bishop of the Diocese of New Jersey has carried a particular piece of advice with him throughout his career delivering Masses in New Jersey: Say each as if it were your first, say it as if it were your last, say it as if it were your only Mass.
That outlook gave Councell something of an emotional advantage over the rank-and-file parishioners of Fair Haven's Episcopal Church of the Holy Communion recently. That was the day Councell came to preside over the congregation's last-ever Mass.
After 125 years of service, the towering River Road landmark was closed for good following the afternoon service. The church and two buildings on the property are owned by the diocese, and will likely be put on the market, according to Councell. http://www.newjersey.anglican.org/
A blogger cynically wrote: "I am very disappointed with the lack of support for one of my Churches. This trend had better stop or I will make life on earth not as enjoyable as it has been for most of you. Go to one of the other local churches this weekend and double your donations so we can collect the funds necessary to reopen this most Holy of Houses. Remember I am watching all of you, so don't disappoint."
DIOCESE OF WESTERN LOUISIANA
At the Diocese of Western Louisiana's Thirtieth Annual Diocesan Convention, the Rt. Rev. D. Bruce MacPherson publicly admitted that the diocese could lose parishes following GC2009's Resolution actions. In his address to the diocese, the orthodox bishop hinted broadly that the diocese could not serve two masters. "We could well be faced with making a choice of being either provincially oriented or Communion oriented - for it is clear we cannot be both."
Describing the situation as "uncertain," he said, "We cannot claim to be part of a catholic body and then seek to exercise 'local option' over crucial issues."
He further acknowledged that there were some in the diocese who are taking a more formal step by looking towards separation.
New Jersey bishop George Councell, summed it up by saying that there are some things worse than death. "One of them is denial. Resurrection follows death, not denial," he said.
The Episcopal Church denial about the direction of the church and its advocacy and passage of a series of pansexual resolutions by general convention has only heightened rebellion amongst the church's rank and file. The rejection of personal faith by Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori and the go-it-alone mentality by TEC among the Communion's archbishops has resulted in the birth of a new orthodox North American Anglican province.
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| gillis | Posted: 2009/11/4 15:50 Updated: 2009/11/4 15:50 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2009/8/21 From: The UP Posts: 25 |
I feel as if we are living a TS Elliot poem. So many stuffed shirts, and mitres. And this Anglican apocalypse has ended with a whimpering thud. Dying diocese and Rome being a true fisher of men. What shall we do in the post-Episcoplytic world? Quietly, the faithful die away.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/11/4 16:01 Updated: 2009/11/4 16:05 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6685 |
None of this should come as a surprise to anyone in the Episcopal Church....or anyone else for that matter; it's been happening for many years, and it will continue to happen.
The economic mess that we've all found ourselves in is only part of the problem, and Episcopalians have only to reflect on their Church's past actions for the source of the rest of the problem. They have only themselves to blame. Cennydd |
| Anglophile | Posted: 2009/11/4 16:59 Updated: 2009/11/4 21:49 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/7/6 From: Rochester,NY Posts: 149 |
It is a mystery to me why they don't combine Western New York, Central New York and Rochester into one diocese. The numbers keep shrinking dramatically. The waste of money to maintain the three separate bishops and offices is terrible. Rochester has a large endowment or so I hear. Bishop you are silly and wasteful. P.S. Rochester and Western New York were only made separate years ago. They used to be one diocese.
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| DPJ071 | Posted: 2009/11/4 18:07 Updated: 2009/11/4 18:07 |
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"adaptive change"?? Is he serious? Change is what has gotten ECUSA into the spot they are in; the need to please a minority of parishoners all of the time for whatever reason rather than stand true to the Christian faith & doctrine upon which the historic ECUSA was founded. The "Adaptive change" they need to do is to get on their knees and ask forgivness for destroying a wonderful denomination and return to preaching the true Gospel. It's funny to see that so many existing ECUSA properties may go on the for sale list and yet they are still wanting more empty properties by suing departing dioceses, which will, should TEC win, result in yet more empty buildings.
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| Howell | Posted: 2009/11/4 18:24 Updated: 2009/11/4 18:25 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/13 From: Colorado Posts: 441 |
Isn't Bishop Scruton's advice ironic. He says: "We must get over feeling that the Church is a building....".
How many orthodox Episcopalians have already had to grapple with, and come to terms with that sentiment as they left beautiful Parishes to worship in storefronts, because Witch Schori said that such Parishes can be used for anything EXCEPT orthodox worship. Welcome to the club, Bishop Scruton! |
| ZachD | Posted: 2009/11/4 18:53 Updated: 2009/11/4 18:55 |
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From the See of New Jeresy:
"I am very disappointed with the lack of support for one of my Churches. This trend had better stop or I will make life on earth not as enjoyable as it has been for most of you. Go to one of the other local churches this weekend and double your donations so we can collect the funds necessary to reopen this most Holy of Houses. Remember I am watching all of you, so don't disappoint." ________________________________________ Is this guy for real? Is he right out of "Mars Attacks"? If I EVER heard a priest or bishop talk like that (esp a bishop), I'd be gone, gone, gone. I'd probably address him and everybody else at the lectern mic before I left! And might the temporal bishop double his own offering at the plate? I am assured that the bishop stipend will be the last to be reduced! |
| Causidicus | Posted: 2009/11/4 19:05 Updated: 2009/11/4 19:05 |
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Its the amazing, incredible, shrinking denomination.
What did they expect, given the apostasy, the heresy and the marriage to the culture? I'm with Zachd on the guy from NJ for sure. Time to change the name of the House of Bishops to the House of Ostriches. |
| Thyatira | Posted: 2009/11/4 19:20 Updated: 2009/11/4 19:20 |
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"why don't my children come to church? How can we get young families back to church? How can we bring teenagers into our church? How can we find a new generation to take the load off our backs?"
The Episcopal church seems to have positioned itself as the "church for those who don't believe what the bible says". That may have worked in the past when there was an expectation that everyone respectable should attend church, but today there is no such stigma. Today, if you don't believe the bible you just don't go to church. Their market doesn't exist anymore - it really is time for "Adaptive change"....go back to the foundations. Read the Bible. Pray. Rediscover your first love. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/11/4 20:31 Updated: 2009/11/4 20:31 |
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These bishops conveniently ignore the fact that they and their kind are at least partially responsible for the present state of affairs in the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion.
When parishes close their doors or amalgamate with other parishes, or they revert to mission status, the usual cause is the loss of members....attended by a loss of income necessary to keep them running. Those people leave for a variety of reasons; the main one being a lack of faith on the part of the clergy, and the departure from Holy Scripture. Not all pew-sitters are ignorant of the message of the Bible and Christ's teachings, as is so often asserted by the clergy, and these most often are the ones doing the leaving. Cennydd |
| webb2k | Posted: 2009/11/4 21:35 Updated: 2009/11/4 21:35 |
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Thyatira, you are correct. No one goes to church to look respectable anymore except disingenuous politicians.
The situation with the youth is compounded with the fact that as soon as you try to reach them through anything that resembles marketing, they're gone! They long for God and are truly open to the Gospel, and want adults to truly listen and share, but if you market their demographic . . . forget it. If TEc had a Gospel to reach out with and with sincere, loving and trained leaders to reach them, things would be VERY different. Instead, TEc needs to be reached with the Gospel. I still pray for their repentance, just as Jeremiah did for Judah, knowing the outcome. Peace and Blessings! |
| Statmann | Posted: 2009/11/4 23:04 Updated: 2009/11/4 23:04 |
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It is difficult for me to follow Bishop Lane's comments. For 2002 through 2008, the diocese of Maine had declines in Members and ASA but Plate & Pledge increased 4.6 percent MORE than inflation.
In fact for 95 dioceses, Maine ranked number 18 in terms of a composite of changes in Members, ASA, and Plate & Pledge. In relative terms, Maine is "fat city". And then there is this comment about the desire for more young families. Has the bishop guidance for a father explaining to his teenage son that sodomy is "blessed' by TEC? I don't believe that money is the real problem in the diocese of Maine. Statmann |
| railbirdbc | Posted: 2009/11/5 10:35 Updated: 2009/11/5 10:35 |
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Gee, I wonder why nobody is attending these wonderful TEC churches anymore? Quick somebody, call in a rocket scientist to give us the answer! Maybe TEC could figure a way to tweak church bake sales. Maybe if they could induce people to buy twice as many rice crispy squares and cup cakes they could generate enough money to keep these churches open. OR MAYBE, they could just do the job they were supposed to do in the first place and PREACH THE GOSPEL without liberal innovations tagged on. Just a thought.
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| dturk | Posted: 2009/11/5 13:01 Updated: 2009/11/5 13:03 |
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There is a great term for this situation. It is called implosion and it is just going to continue. TEC is being run into the ground.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/11/5 14:35 Updated: 2009/11/5 14:35 |
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And the problem is, TEC's leaders know damn well they're running it into the ground!
They're trying to stop it, but they don't know how! Cennydd |
| fresnohye | Posted: 2009/11/5 14:42 Updated: 2009/11/5 14:42 |
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These bishops who keep suing to get empty buildings must think millstones are jewelery.
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| Statmann | Posted: 2009/11/5 20:33 Updated: 2009/11/5 20:33 |
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Bishop Garrison has indeed much to lament about. For 2002 through 2008, Western New York has lost 24 percent of Members, 24 percent of ASA, and Plate & Pledge has declined 20 percent in real (inflation adjucted) dollars. But the comment about the loss of financial help by St. Peter's in Forestville is a bit strange. In 2008 St. Peter had only about 50 Members and Plate & Pledge of $12 thousand when last reported in 2006. I wonder at times if bishops ever read the parish reports. If a merger of dioceses is an answer, it will be a "shotgun wedding". Statmann
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| Thyatira | Posted: 2009/11/5 21:49 Updated: 2009/11/5 21:57 |
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Statmann
I think looking at plate and plege is too simplistic. In Maine in 2008, $7.6m of parish income was plate and pledge; $2.7m was from other sources like endowments. Go back to 2004 and $6.6m was plate and pledge; $2.8m was from other income. So plate and pledge is increasing at more than inflation, but investment income is not. Basically parishes were drawing down endowment funds at an unsustainable rate. Then the economy tanked last year and the endowments lost 30%+ of their value. Any trustee worth his salt is now saying - reduce the draw on the endowment! Those reductions will filter into the 2009 and 2010 figures. So a parish may have been drawing 5% of an endowment in 2008. Come 2009 they will be drawing a lesser percentage of a significantly reduced endowment. Result? For many, they can no longer keep the doors open. But look at the overall budget at a diocese level for Maine and what do you see? Overall expenses excluding aided congregation expenses are still increasing, and the contribution to the National church has increased at far above inflation levels. Endowment money is starting to run out. Pledging units are declining, and those that remain are having to fork out more and more of their money to keep the parish afloat. Eventually the loss of just one or two big contributors means those remaining cannot afford to keep the parish going. It folds, and the parishes remaining have to pay a higher percent of their income to keep the diocese afloat. Which means they can no longer afford their front line staff, so more parishes fold. Leadership should be aware of this, and slashing back office costs. Instead those are increasing. ![]() |
| Statmann | Posted: 2009/11/5 23:12 Updated: 2009/11/5 23:12 |
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Thyatira: I agree that Plate & Pledge alone is simplistic. My point is that so is "money". The lack of "money" is the result and not the cause of the demise of TEC. TEC is blessing disordered behavior. Families realize this and are seeking shelter elsewhere for their children. Statmann
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| Thyatira | Posted: 2009/11/5 23:47 Updated: 2009/11/5 23:48 |
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Statmann
Agree. Money is not the problem. Attendance in the Diocese has gone from 5517 in 2002 down to 4804 in 2008. 13% down. But attendance is not the problem Number of clergy in the Diocese has gone from 52 in 2003 to 39 in 2007. 25% down. But that is also not the problem. Pledging units in the Diocese have gone from 4560 in 2003 to 4190 in 2008. 8% down. Also not the problem. All of those are merely symptoms of underlying disease. The root cause of all of the above is a church that has lost its first love. |
| Aneirin | Posted: 2009/11/6 2:52 Updated: 2009/11/6 2:52 |
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An apostate denomination is going to fail,
sooner or later. |
| Statmann | Posted: 2009/11/6 5:04 Updated: 2009/11/6 5:04 |
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Western Massachusetts lost 19 percent of ASA duing 2002 through 2008, but only 4 percent of Members. I suspect that a number of parishes are keeping quite a few departed ones on tne Member list. Also, Bishop Scruton's homily on church buildings is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. If anyone has a fixation on buildings, it is the hierarch. And if the market price for a church building is low, take it and run. It still a gain for the diocese. Can't imagine that parishioners shed tears for the bishop in this matter. Statmann
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| fyffee | Posted: 2009/11/7 1:28 Updated: 2009/11/7 1:28 |
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A solid foundational theological reformation of ECUSA is the only solution, but I fear that is too late. In the mean time, ECUSA is over-bishopped by about 4 fold. Here in Australia, with an ASA of about double that of ECUSA we only have 23 dioceses, and that includes the largest one in the world in terms of land area (North West Australia), and one of the largest in the world in terms of ASA (Sydney). And the few dioceses which are still growing in ASA just happen to be the evangelical ones - gee, I wonder why that would be?
Bishop Lane said, "it may mean some congregations seeing themselves as ministry sites rather than worship sites." Could someone please enlighten me what does he mean - what is the difference between worship and ministry? Surely any ministry done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ is worship of God, and worship without ministry is nothing. |
| RevRL | Posted: 2009/11/9 17:06 Updated: 2009/11/9 17:06 |
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Yes, well, "literal" bankruptcy is so much worse than figurative bankruptcy.
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| otispage2 | Posted: 2009/11/11 22:46 Updated: 2009/11/11 22:50 |
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The Episcopal Church (TEC) pretends to be a religion rich in miracle, mystery, and myth dressed in ecclesiastical costume and episcopal authority. TEC alters the doctrines that in the past Bishop Spong ridiculed, with the hope of inspiring pansexuals, the heavy contingent of gays, lesbians and bisexuals and their activist sympathizers. But, no reconciliation is possible between Spong’s new religion and the “faith once delivered”.
TEC has become a secular institution. It has dispensed with true Christianity. Therefore, it is understandable and no surprise that TEC is undergoing a well established decline. It is no longer a religion – it being a social experiment that realistically attempts to undermine Christianity and the once great Anglican tradition. |
| Myrmidon | Posted: 2009/11/12 0:25 Updated: 2009/11/12 0:25 |
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"We also need to ask ourselves over the next few years, if we can any longer support the number of church buildings in which our community worships."
The short answer, bishop, is when you have three buildings each meant to hold 250 people, all within 2 miles of each other and each building has an occupancy of 40-60 people on Sunday mornings (and minimal occupancy the rest of the week), then, no, you cannot support all these buildings. |
| Bulwark | Posted: 2009/11/12 14:41 Updated: 2009/11/12 14:41 |
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I am actually somewhat heartened by the comments from the bishops of Maine and Western Massachusetts, two areas where I have spent some time. There is more honesty and urgency in their words and their tone. It pains me that TEC has lost so many young people, but I believe much of this results from the substantive departure of TEC from apostolic Christianity. The movement that "turned the world upside down" has long since departed most of TEC. Desperation without knowledge and tinkering with form without substance will not draw the lost and seekers of "the Way the Truth and the Life" back to mainline churches. A church of "local option" and "anything goes" has little to attract people who can find that everywhere else in the culture, people who have already discovered rank permissiveness to be a dead end. Perhaps I am wrong and God will resurrect TEC, but I suspect it will be on His terms not on the current leadership's terms.
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| CH-Discern | Posted: 2009/11/14 18:46 Updated: 2009/11/14 18:46 |
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TEC continues slip-sliding into the muck; she has only a left leg sticking out of the sewage. The head is totally gone. I have an imaginary T-shirt that shows Schori, dressed to the religious nines, being carried in a basket. Schori is asking: "Where am I going and how did I get in this handbasket?"
To the extent that a church is led by (and tries to mimic) the culture, it becomes meaningless and loses its reason for existence. The Church's primary purpose is to promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ (remember the Great Commission in Matthew 28?). From the believer’s point of view, when a church follows the culture more than Scripture, it is denying its Author and it is denying the Christ who came and died to save them. Jesus was clear about this: if anyone denies Him, then at the last day, He will deny them. The culture needs the church to be "salt and light"--a spiritual, biblical counter to the downward trend that infects all cultures. Jesus told us that the world would hate us; it hates us because we act as a correction, pointing out when the accepted, ‘politically correct’ values of the culture go against God’s principles. Unbelievers do not want to hear it, they do not want to change their ways, and do not want to feel guilty when they sin. So it is expected that they will regard orthodox believers as their enemy. In order to shut Him up, they crucified Jesus. Didn’t work, did it? A. W. Tozer in "The Set of the Sail" wrote: “The Church’s mightiest influence is felt when she is different from the world in which she lives. Her power lies in her being different, rises with the degree in which she differs… and sinks as the difference diminishes.” Is it any wonder that the churches like TEC who promote blatant sin are shrinking in membership and are in major financial trouble? They have no real purpose and are not needed, not by the world and certainly not by God, who is now in the process of judging them. "For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" - 1 Peter 4:17 "The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire." – Matthew 3:10 (see also Luke 12:45-48) Since judgment begins in the Church, then we expect that some weeding must be done. Therefore, controversies and schisms are expected to continue… and even get worse as we get closer to the Lord’s return. “For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?” - Luke 23:31 As we continue to promote the Gospel, we must also prepare for increased worldwide persecution. |
| ICCEC | Posted: 2009/11/18 21:24 Updated: 2009/11/18 21:24 |
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The leadership of the Episcopal Church USA reminds me of a very horrible, stubborn and foolish Restaurant Owner during times of a very tough Economic Recession that does the following:
1. Horrible Service 2. Bad food 3. Does not advertise 4. Filthy restaurant 5. Understaffed And he wonders why he fails and closes his doors and loses all his life savings! http://www.psalm19-7.com/homosexuality-in-the-church.html ![]() |























