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As Eye See It : The Vatican thirst for power divides Christianity and damages Catholicism - Kung
Posted by David Virtue on 2009/10/29 3:50:00 (921 reads)

The Vatican thirst for power divides Christianity and damages Catholicism

"The astonishing efforts to lure away Anglican priests show that Pope Benedict is set on restoring the Roman imperium"

OPINION

By Hans Kung
www.guardian.co.uk
October 27, 2009

After Pope Benedict XVI's offences against the Jews and the Muslims, Protestants and reform-oriented Catholics, it is now the turn of the Anglican communion, which encompasses some 77 million members and is the third largest Christian confession after the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox churches. Having brought back the extreme anti-reformist faction of the Pius X fraternity into the fold, Pope Benedict now hopes to fill up the dwindling ranks of the Catholic church with Anglicans sympathetic to Rome.

Their conversion to the Catholic church is supposed to be made easier: Anglican priests and bishops shall be allowed to retain their standing, even when married. Traditionalists of the churches, unite. Under the cupola of St Peter's.

The Fisher of Men is angling in waters of the extreme religious right.

This Roman action is a dramatic change of course: steering away from the well-proven ecumenical strategy of eye-level dialogue and honest understanding; steering towards an un-ecumenical luring away of Anglican priests, even dispensing with medieval celibacy law to enable them to come back to Rome under the lordship of the pope. Clearly, the well-meaning Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, was no match for cunning Vatican diplomacy. In his cosying up with the Vatican, he evidently did not recognise the consequences. Otherwise he would not have put his signature to the downplaying communique of the Catholic Archbishop of Westminster. Can it be that those caught in the Roman dragnet do not see that they will never be more than second-class priests in the Roman church, that other Catholics are not meant to take part in their liturgical celebrations?

Ironically, this communique impudently invokes the truly ecumenical documents of the Anglican–Roman Catholic International Commission, which were worked out in laborious negotiations between the Roman Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and the Anglican Lambeth conference: documents on the Eucharist (1971), on church office and ordination (1973), and on authority in the church (1976/81). People in the know, however, recognise that these three documents, subscribed to by both sides at that time, aimed not at recruitment, but rather at reconciliation. These documents of honest reconciliation provide the basis for a recognition of Anglican orders, which Pope Leo XIII, back in 1896, with anything but convincing arguments, had declared invalid. But from the validity of Anglican orders follows the validity of Anglican celebrations of the Eucharist. And so mutual Eucharistic hospitality would be possible; in fact, intercommunion. A slow process of growing together of Catholics and Anglicans would have been the consequence.

However, the Vatican Congregation on the Doctrine of the Faith quickly made sure that these documents of reconciliation disappeared in the dungeons of the Vatican. That's called "shelving". At the time, a confidential press release out of the Vatican cited "too much Küng theology" in them - in other words, a theological basis for a rapprochement between the churches of Rome and Canterbury.

As I wrote in 1967, "a resumption of ecclesial community between the Catholic church and the Anglican church" would be possible, when "the Church of England, on the one side, shall be given the guarantee that its current autochthonous and autonomous church order under the Primate of Canterbury will be preserved fully" and when, "on the other side, the Church of England shall recognise the existence of a pastoral primacy of Petrine ministry as the supreme authority for mediation and arbitration between the churches." "In this way," I expressed my hopes then, "out of the Roman imperium might emerge a Catholic commonwealth."

But Pope Benedict is set upon restoring the Roman imperium. He makes no concessions to the Anglican communion. On the contrary, he wants to preserve the medieval, centralistic Roman system for all ages - even if this makes impossible the reconciliation of the Christian churches in fundamental questions. Evidently, the papal primacy - which Pope Paul VI admitted was the greatest stumbling block to the unity of the churches - does not function as the "rock of unity". The old-fashioned call for a "return to Rome" raises its ugly head again, this time through the conversion particularly of the priests, if possible, en masse. In Rome, one speaks of a half-million Anglicans and 20 to 30 bishops. And what about the remaining 76 million? This is a strategy whose failure has been demonstrated in past centuries and which, at best, might lead to the founding of a "uniate" Anglican "mini-church" in the form of a personal prelature, not a territorial diocese. But what are the consequences of this strategy already today?

First, a further weakening of the Anglican church. In the Vatican, opponents of ecumenism rejoice over the conservative influx. In the Anglican church, liberals rejoice over the departure of the catholicising troublemakers. For the Anglican church, this split means further corrosion. It is already suffering from the consequences of the heedless and unnecessary election of an avowed gay priest as bishop in the US, an event that split his own diocese and the whole Anglican communion. This friction has been enhanced by the ambivalent attitude of the church's leadership with respect to homosexual partnerships. Many Anglicans would accept a civil registration of such couples with wide-ranging legal consequences, for instance in inheritance law, and would even accept an ecclesiastical blessing for them, but they would not accept a "marriage" in the traditional sense reserved for partnerships between a man and a woman, nor would they accept a right to adoption for such couples.

Second, the widespread disturbance of the Anglican faithful. The departure of Anglican priests and their re-ordination in the Catholic church raises grave questions for many Anglicans: are Anglican priests validly ordained? Should the faithful together with their pastor convert to the Catholic church?

Third, the irritation of the Catholic clergy and laity. Discontent over the ongoing resistance to reform is spreading to even the most faithful members of the Catholic church. Since the Second Vatican Council in the 60s, many episcopal conferences, pastors and believers have been calling for the abolition of the medieval prohibition of marriage for priests, a prohibition which, in the last few decades, has deprived almost half of our parishes of their own pastor. Time and again, the reformers have run into Ratzinger's stubborn, uncomprehending intransigence. And now these Catholic priests are expected to tolerate married, convert priests alongside themselves. When they want themselves to marry, should they first turn Anglican, and then return to the church?

Just as we have seen over many centuries - in the east-west schism of the 11th century, in the 16th century Reformation and in the First Vatican Council of the 19th century - the Roman thirst for power divides Christianity and damages its own church. It is a tragedy.

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anilwang
Posted: 2009/10/29 15:48  Updated: 2009/10/29 15:59
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 Re: The Vatican thirst for power divides Christianity and...
Alabamian,

I don't know too much about past ecumenical efforts beyond what's available in Wikipedia, but if my understanding is correct, I don't think you're understanding what you're agreeing to. When he says "too much Küng theology", Wikipedia implies that this meant that the ecumenical document stated that the split in the reformation shouldn't have happened since the Reformers and Catholics didn't disagree about fundamentals so they should still be in communion. If this is the case, then returning to Rome only means giving up superficial differences that have no consequence on salvation. This is exactly the same argument the TEC uses on its conservative members. Is this *really* your belief?

WRT the power grab, the Vatican can't win. The TAC wants to join Rome without condition.

(1) If the Vatican rejected the offer and demanded conversion without accommodation, they would be accused of humiliating the TAC into submission.

(2) If the Vatican made some accommodation without giving up its principles, it is accused of a power grab.

(3) If they kept saying "thank you but we're negotiating with the CoE so we can have a communion with all Anglicans", they would be accused of stall tactics and trying to wear down the TAC since the CoE is moving to liberalism so communion is less and less likely.

(4) If they bypassed the CoE and directly negotiated with the Global South (assuming that the Global South finds a single leader to represent it), they would be accused of trying to fracture the Anglican communion.

This bile is not helpful. If you really want a strong Anglicanism, then your best bet is to either lobby the CoE to get some backbone and expel the TEC, or lobby the Global South to become the new center of Anglicanism with ANCA in the communion and the CoE and the TEC left out of the communion, or both. Without either of these happening, the ANCA may end up like its predecessor the TAC, believe Anglicanism is no longer redeemable and thus drift to Rome or Constantinople with the latter being the most likely. Personally, I'm hopeful that the Pope's offer has lit a fire under the various Synods towards reinforcing a strong Anglicanism. The announcement "AUSTRALIA: Sydney Synod resolution embraces ACNA", if not a coincidence, may indicate that this may indeed be starting.
OnTheRight
Posted: 2009/10/29 16:02  Updated: 2009/10/29 16:02
Not too shy to talk
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 Re: The Vatican thirst for power divides Christianity and...
I will leave for another day the proper understanding of terms like "reasonable," "truth," and "power grab".

But just for the record, denunciation of BenXVI by Hans Kung is about as unexpected, surprising, and "courageous" as a denunciation of K.J. Schori by David Virtue. And insofar as Kung has been issuing, with clockwork regularity, such denunciations of Benedict and his papal predecessors for more than four decades, Alabamian's use of the word "Finally" is more than curious.
john123
Posted: 2009/10/29 16:27  Updated: 2009/10/29 17:57
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 Re: The Vatican thirst for power divides Christianity and...
According to Kung, "The Fisher of Men is angling in waters of the extreme religious right."

Ergo. If one believes that the revisionists and the other looney tunes on the left are nothing more than a cult, then one is of the extreme religious right.

Kung is nuts.
ACLins
Posted: 2009/10/29 16:48  Updated: 2009/10/29 16:48
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 Re: The Vatican thirst for power divides Christianity and...
Bologny! An educated man should investigate Anglican realities before making declarations about what divides that church and what motivates Pope Benedict's decision. Kung's comments reveal his anger and contentious attitude toward Rome.
brady1
Posted: 2009/10/29 21:58  Updated: 2009/10/29 21:58
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 Kung is just flat out wrong, but that isn't new.
Here is what is really behind Mr. Kung's invective against Benedict in particular and the Roman Church in general: They (as in most definitely Benedict and those who head the Prefects) are standing for old-fashioned conservative values. No to Women's ordination. No to the LBGT agenda. No to abortion. No to the culture of death. Worst of all for men like Mr. Kung, the Church is saying yes to reaching out (or in this case finally replying to pleas from) like minded christians, who are under constant attack by their own hierarchies. Yes, to offering a haven and perhaps creating a new bulwark against the forces of 'inclusiveness.'

He bemoans that only a "mini-church" of disaffected Anglicans might come on over. Guess what - that disaffected, but possibly sizable minority will be mostly made up of REAL conservative-values christians, who will strengthen Benedict's hand against the forces of radicalism that do exist in the Roman Church. Anglican Priests and Bishops along with their bible reading flocks can only help prevent what has happened to the CofE and the TEC from coming out into the open in the Roman Church.

The dream of reuniting the churches DIED with Women's ordination to the priesthood and now bishoprics. It's open repudiation of the 'faith once delivered.'

Rome isn't stupid and they have no intention of allowing an 'open communion' with non-christians like the TEC often does with Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans and Muslims.

One last question to my conservative Anglican friends: If the liberals and atheists are bemoaning Rome's move are you really on the right side by agreeing with the those liberals?
RevDarrenS
Posted: 2009/10/29 23:17  Updated: 2009/10/29 23:17
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 Re: The Vatican thirst for power divides Christianity and...
This article is yet another vent of Guardian diatribe against orthodox Christian positions. Simply a hit piece. It is like other articles from the Guardian lately that demean anything that is from a conservative standpoint.
FrWells
Posted: 2009/10/30 1:02  Updated: 2009/10/30 1:04
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 Re: The Vatican thirst for power divides Christianity and...
After Kung wrote his truly great book on Justification, it seems to have been downhill all the way for him. I will not venture an opinion on whether he is right or wrong. But this article should put Anglo-catholics and Tiber-swimmers on notice that the RCC is not the theological monolith or happy haven of orthodox unity some fancy it to be.

Kung's attitude is far from unique in the RCC. Those who accept Benedict's offer will have to get used to living with it.
CH-Discern
Posted: 2009/10/30 2:13  Updated: 2009/10/30 2:13
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anilwang -
Once again, thank you and AMEN!
blackshama
Posted: 2009/10/30 9:01  Updated: 2009/10/30 9:01
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The puzzle is why Father Kung won't join the Episcopalians. His theological views would fit in perfectly with TEC theology.

That Pope Ratzinger can have lunch with Father Kung and crack a few jokes and reminisce instead of deposing him such as the Popessa of the TEC has done to opposing clerics shows the genius of the Roman Catholic Church.
bcwright
Posted: 2009/10/30 13:01  Updated: 2009/10/30 13:01
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That Pope Ratzinger can have lunch with Father Kung and crack a few jokes and reminisce instead of deposing him such as the Popessa of the TEC has done to opposing clerics shows the genius of the Roman Catholic Church.

In fact the Pope did inhibit Fr. Küng from teaching theology in Catholic Universities, but did not depose him from the priesthood.

I agree that his theological views would probably fit in better with the TEc, but I do not believe that TEc has a very large presence in Switzerland.
ctowles
Posted: 2009/10/30 14:13  Updated: 2009/10/30 14:13
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 Go Down Moses...
"As I wrote in 1967, "a resumption of ecclesial community between the Catholic church and the Anglican church" would be possible, when "the Church of England, on the one side, shall be given the guarantee that its current autochthonous and autonomous church order under the Primate of Canterbury will be preserved fully" and when, "on the other side, the Church of England shall recognise the existence of a pastoral primacy of Petrine ministry as the supreme authority for mediation and arbitration between the churches." "In this way," I expressed my hopes then, "out of the Roman imperium might emerge a Catholic commonwealth."

That is what is happenning. Oh! this must be embarrassing for him. He has waited 42 years for the fulfilment of his vision, and he doen't recognize it when it happens. Go Down Moses...
ctowles
Posted: 2009/10/30 14:57  Updated: 2009/10/30 15:01
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 Insightful Ideas brady1
"One last question to my conservative Anglican friends: If the liberals and atheists are bemoaning Rome's move are you really on the right side by agreeing with the those liberals?"

This is to the heart of the matter. Anglicans are as Anglicans do. It was an interesting 500 year journey, but few are still on the original journey. To paraphrase Raul Emanuel, never let a "good" schism go to waste. The Pope's offer is very generous, and there are no other offers on the table. Gafcon and the new mission in North America lead by Duncan will be dithered to death and stonewalled by TEC and Rowan until Hell freezes over. Neither group represented by Schori and Williams are honest brokers for orthodox Anglican souls. They have Christian smiles concealing Borgia daggers. Machiavelli is their master, satan their god. Their accusation of homophobia for objecting to being lead in worship by a pardnered Bishop who is breaking one of the 10 commandments is an insight to their twisted concept of a caferteria plan god. May God have mercy upon their souls.
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