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Anglicans Swimming The Tiber : Catholic Beliefs Might Give Anglicans Pause
Posted by David Virtue on 2009/10/23 6:30:00 (2086 reads)

Catholic Beliefs Might Give Anglicans Pause

By Robert Mackey
The New York Times
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/catholic-beliefs-might-give-anglicans-pause/
October 22, 2009

When the Catholic Church announced this week that the Vatican would make it easier for Anglicans to convert to Catholicism, much was made of the many similarities between the two faiths. And there are a few Catholic beliefs that might strike Anglicans as foreign, and one or two that could be deal-breakers for potential defectors.

The Times of London published a handy list of some Catholic beliefs Anglican converts would have to embrace. Social conservatives who are upset by the Anglican Church's acceptance of female priests and openly gay bishops are unlikely to have trouble adopting the Catholic beliefs that only men can become priests and that, as the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it, "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered" and "under no circumstances can they be approved."

Ideas that might be harder for Anglicans to accept include the concept that the Pope is infallible, at least at certain moments, that Mary was the product of an "immaculate conception," and so born without sin, and the belief known as transubstantiation, which means, essentially, that the communion bread and wine are not just symbols but actually become the body and blood of Christ.

This last point was the subject of much debate in the sixteenth century and particularly exercised Martin Luther, who called transubstantiation "a monstrous word for a monstrous idea." In the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion, adopted under the leadership of Queen Elizabeth in 1563 to spell out the fundamental principles of Anglican doctrine, the belief was ridiculed in the strongest terms:

Transubstantiation (or the change of the substance of Bread and Wine) in the Supper of the Lord, cannot be proved by Holy Writ; but is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture, overthroweth the nature of a Sacrament, and hath given occasion to many superstitions.

In an opinion column for The Times of London on Thursday, Libby Purves pointed out that Anglicans will also have to accept "tough teachings on divorce and the contraceptive ban."

Then again, Anglican converts could also just follow the lead of many Catholics and simply decide to not accept the Church's guidance on a host of social issues. According to a survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life on the eve of Pope Benedict XVI's visit to the United States in 2008, American Catholics, at least, seem to feel perfectly entitled to not embrace some of the Church's core beliefs.

Pew noted, for instance that "Despite the Catholic Church's strong opposition to abortion, a slim majority (51 percent) of Catholics believe that abortion should be legal in most or all cases." An even larger majority of American Catholics (55 percent) surveyed by Pew supported stem-cell research, despite the Church's opposition, and still more of them (60 percent) said they favored the death penalty, even though the Church opposes it.

What these findings suggest is that, despite the protestations of Catholic officials, there may well be at least as much diversity of belief among Catholics as there is among Anglicans. Given this, it is no wonder that the powerful leader of nearly half of the world's Anglicans, Archbishop Peter Akinola, head of the Church of Nigeria, and the spiritual leader of Africa's 40 million Anglicans, failed to jump at the Pope's offer this week? An aide told The Wall Street Journal that Rev. Akinola is "still weighing the implications of the Vatican's offer."

As Will Connors reported for The Journal from Nigeria on Wednesday, Anglicans in Africa, where homosexuality remains "a cultural taboo," were particularly disturbed by the ordination of the openly gay American Eugene Robinson as a Anglican bishop in 2003. Reverend Akinola's Nigeria's Anglican Church "proffered one of the loudest condemnations of Rev. Robinson's appointment and broke off ties with its American and Canadian counterparts."

Given that, the Pew study of American Catholics might give Anglican conservatives looking for a global community of like-minded coreligionists some reason to look before they leap. In addition to other socially liberal positions, the research found that, in the United States at least, "Catholics are slightly more supportive of gay marriage than is the public as a whole."

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Johnnh
Posted: 2009/10/23 15:08  Updated: 2009/10/23 18:34
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 Re: Catholic Beliefs Might Give Anglicans Pause
Re: "the belief known as transubstantiation [or change of the substance of Bread and Wine]which means, essentially, that the communion bread and wine are not just symbols but actually become the body and blood of Christ." What is this business about "just symbols???" Luther, who supported what he called "Consubstantiation," obviously believed in a "change" in the elements, just as scripture says that we are all "changed" at the General Resurrection, of which the Eucharist is plainly a realized eschatological foretaste. So to do the Eastern Orthodox believe, when, at the epiclesis following the words of institution, their liturgy proclaims, "making the change by Thy Holy Spirit." Among Anglicans this has commonly been termed the "Real Presence" of Christ in the Eucharist. In recent years, as we have gained a better knowledge of early Christian history,it has become evident that the Church and its living Eucharistic tradition antedates the New Testament, so that the scripture itself actually rests on Tradition, rather than the other way around. In this sense, the Church's Tradition comes first, and we realize that the New Testament is therefore a chief element of that Tradition. We encounter the Living Word of God most immediately in our mystical Eucharistic participation, and more derivatively in the printed words of the Great Book, which is the inspired record of that immediate Liturgical Presence. The fact that Anglicanism, like Orthodoxy, has eschewed philosophical terms that purport to explain precisely how, technically, this Eucharistic change takes place is certainly no indication that the consecrated elements are "just symbols." As Flannery O'Connor once quipped, "If transubstantiation is just symbolic, then to hell with it!"
dboman123
Posted: 2009/10/24 0:05  Updated: 2009/10/24 0:05
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 The Antioch Option
What the Pope is offering Anglo-Catholics now the Patiarch of Antioch has been offering for more than 40 years--i.e., the ability for congregations to convert en masse, keep their liturgical format, and have married priests. Here's the kicker: Anglicans who become Orthodox don't have to swallow the doctrine of Papal Infallibility or other innovations.

http://www.antiochian.org/western-rite

http://www.antiochian.org/about

http://www.westernorthodox.com/options.html

http://www.westernorthodox.com/wrbooklet
fyffee
Posted: 2009/10/24 0:54  Updated: 2009/10/24 0:54
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 Re: Catholic Beliefs Might Give Anglicans Pause
I am surprised that a couple of other doctrines were not mentioned in this article which distinguishes any Protestant catholic church from the Roman church - the matter of justification by faith alone, the doctrine of faith in Christ alone, and the doctrine of through Scripture alone. These were the touchstone issues of the Reformation to refute the errors and heresies of Rome. The Roman church pronounced an anathema on these doctrines at the Council of Trent and has not rejected them since. The Roman church still prefers its own authority and traditions over the authority of Scripture; promotes the adoration of the saints which detracts from the pure worship of Christ; and teaches our works of piety and charity as being meritorious of God's grace, which devalues God's grace and contradicts the Biblical teaching of salvation by grace alone, and justification through faith alone.

How does the Roman doctrine of Mary being the Queen of heaven and co-redemptrix of humanity along with our Lord Jesus sit with Anglo-Catholics - will they have to embrace that doctrine as well as the heresy of transubstantion.

And on the matter of Transubstantion refer to the seminal work of Archbishop Thomas Cranmer who argues along similar lines to John Calvin to point out the errors of the Roman doctrine from both the Bible and from the early church fathers to prove that the Anglican position defined in the 39 Articles is the authentic catholic position.
Sagamore
Posted: 2009/10/24 2:25  Updated: 2009/10/24 2:25
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 Re: Catholic Beliefs Might Give Anglicans Pause
You have to understand one thing...it isn't the sixteenth century anymore and Rome is not what it was then. For this reason, Protestantism as a whole is becoming less viable. I think it ought to be apparent to even the half-blind that Benedict values the unification of Christianity over outdated interpretations of Catholic doctrine.

For example, Ratzinger wrote an an explantion of "transubstantiation" that described a thing most Anglicans would find acceptable (ie-denying a corporal change), but there is also the real politics of how to 'relax' things enough to bring the Orthodox and Anglicans, etc, on board while also not alienating the die hard Latins. This is the trick and a lot of how well Anglicans will feel at home with Rome is going to be based on what goes on on the ground, not in the higher reaches of the Church.
Sodslaw
Posted: 2009/10/24 6:08  Updated: 2009/10/24 6:08
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 Pause
He who hesitates is lost!
Cyrus
Posted: 2009/10/26 2:05  Updated: 2009/10/26 2:05
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Joined: 2008/12/4
From: Ballarat, Australia
Posts: 26
 Re: Catholic Beliefs Might Give Anglicans Pause
Fyffee, please tell where you found the doctrine of Mary as co redemptrix. You wont be able to say as no such doctrine exists. Some Catholics talk in those terms but it is not a belief (let alone doctrine) of the Catholic Church. On the other hand you talk about sola scriptura but just where in the scriptures are the 39 Articles??
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