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Exclusives : The Mind and Mission of Anglican Archbishop Robert Duncan
Posted by David Virtue on 2009/10/9 23:30:00 (3884 reads)

The Mind and Mission of Anglican Archbishop Robert Duncan

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By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
10/12/2009

By any historical reckoning, what Archbishop Robert Duncan, the architect of the Anglican Church of North America (ACNA), has accomplished is nothing short of monumental. If there was the equivalent of a Nobel Peace Prize for ecclesiastical figures, he would win it hands down.

There isn't of course, so only the odd article like this, and perhaps a few chapters in a book on the history of North American Anglicanism, written by a scholar decades from now, will recall his efforts and enshrine him in the annals of Anglicanism on this continent.

That he achieved it in a relatively short space of time can only be described as miraculous, bearing in mind the theological and ecclesiastical differences and potential for disaster that awaited a wrong move, a wrong word, a wrong appointment a slight of one person or another. But none of that happened.

He did what many believed was impossible, bearing in mind the track record of North American Anglicans following the 1977 St. Louis Convention that saw a plethora (some 58) variety of Anglican (Anglo-Catholic) jurisdictions, separated by far less than what unites the AC-NA today.

The Anglican Church of North America is a reality that the Episcopal Church cannot ignore. It is something TEC's Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori will have to reckon with even as this new North American Anglican jurisdiction grows and her church continues its gadarene slide.

Several things characterize Robert Duncan. The first is restraint. Those of us in the media, looking for a bold headline, or an off the cuff remark that would grab attention, have been sorely disappointed. He has watched his words with all the care of St. Paul writing his letter to the Ephesians.

He is politically astute, careful not to offend anyone, praising any and all attempts by people to guard both the unity of the church and the faith once and for all delivered to the saints.

He drew a wide circle, so wide that it and he became the ground for strident criticisms and personal attacks. Foremost of which is his belief in the ordination of women, a sticking point with Anglo-Catholics and not a few Evangelicals.

But he brilliantly and deftly drew into the circle perhaps the most rigorous disbeliever in women's ordination in North American Anglicanism, the Bishop of Ft. Worth, The Rt. Rev. Jack Leo Iker.

While this has not silenced Duncan's critics, Iker has stood by his friend and argued that the church is going through a period of reception on that issue and he would hang his miter in with the new jurisdiction for as long as it takes. Other supporters of Duncan include the former bishop of Eau Claire, the Rt. Rev. William Wantland, the Rt. Rev. John-David Schofield and the retired Bishop of Quincy, Keith Ackerman, all high churchmen.

The delicate issue of whether or not AC-NA is a new province (the 39th) remains a sticking point as it has not been recognized by the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Anglican Consultative Council, but here again no one seems to mind when Duncan calls it a province. It is, well, a province. So be it.

When questioned by this reporter precisely on this point, Duncan says he speaks regularly with Dr. Rowan Williams at Lambeth Palace. He dodges the bullet.

When he officially launched AC-NA, he shrewdly drew in the two most extreme polarities of North American orthodoxy - the mega-evangelical pastor Rick Warren and the head of the Orthodox Church in America, His Beatitude Metropolitan Jonah.

Conservative blogs went ballistic, but Duncan stood his ground. Whatever pain they were about to dump on him would only serve to remind him of the pain he had already experienced at being deposed by a once "brotherly" House of Bishops.

In Warren, all the evangelical fervor that could be drawn from the successor to Billy Graham was focused on this one man. Dr. Warren is a Baptist, about as non- liturgical and, non- traditional a figure as you could find, a brilliant speaker, purpose-driven, and fully conversant with saving souls that you could find on the planet. It was a bold move by Duncan.

On the other had hand, he had to draw in someone liturgically like unto himself (sans the filioque clause), a leader who stood for the ancient traditions of the church, a man who would lend gravitas to the occasion and impress Dr. Williams who is an authority on Russian orthodoxy.

Again, this was a brilliant move. Duncan could not invite a Roman Catholic leader as Rome would not nor could not recognize AC-NA, (even though they might be sympathetic to it), but the Orthodox could. That Metropolitan Jonah of the Orthodox Church in America is an Episcopal convert to Orthodoxy when he was in college just ground it in the face of The Episcopal Church and Mrs. Jefferts Schori one more time. Irony was everywhere.

(You will may recall that grand moment when Cardinal Ratzinger sent greetings to the Plano One gathering of orthodox Episcopalians in Texas in 2003, the biggest single slap in the face to PB Frank Griswold in his tenure).

But AC-NA is of a different order. This new movement was fraught with danger. The broken glass of Anglican disunity Duncan walked across to make a new orthodox province a reality would have ripped the feet of a lesser man. Duncan pulled it off.

But still the Anglican blogs blamed him for selling out the Reformed Faith. Neither Warren nor Jonah represents their views.

Enter the Reformed Episcopal Church, a major player in AC-NA. By drawing them in, Duncan is hoping to calm the fears of the followers of Ridley, Latimer and Cranmer, but it won't be without pain. The REC has entered a concordat with the Anglican Province of America, bringing an ecumenical (Anglo-Catholic) twist to their desire for a broader understanding of the faith in our time. The Covenant Union of Anglican Churches Concordat also included includes The Anglican Church of Nigeria making AC-NA even more globally connected. In time, AC-NA would will be recognized by the GAFCON primates.

Again, this has brought out violent reactions from purist Reformers who see any linkage with an Anglo-Catholic jurisdiction as a deep betrayal of the Reformed understanding of the faith which they hold dear. One cannot help but be moved by their call for evangelical purity, but there is an edge to it all that is troubling for many who believe the Big Tent can incorporate a vision closer to that of C.S. Lewis's "mere Christianity".

Through it all, Duncan has maintained a humility not normally associated with contemporary triumphalist evangelicalism. His has been a measured, not a strident voice. His bushy eyebrows and demeanor are more in keeping with an archbishop like Michael Ramsey than George Carey. He is probably closer to Carey theologically though one should not be dogmatic.

In an odd sort of way, Duncan's Evangelical Catholicism has made him a perfect fit for the job. In common parlance, he can swing both ways. And he has done so.

He has weathered his critics on the right who believe his stand on women's ordination will ultimately bring AC-NA down (it might, but that seems unlikely) as forward Forward in Faith NA is now a constituent member of ACNA, apparently willing to see the bigger picture now with their own recently consecrated bishop.

On the left, the inclusive pansexual crowd of the Episcopal Church dismisses his efforts and mocks his attempts at bringing unity out of what they perceive to be a group of ecclesiastical wild-west Anglican desperados. History may well prove them wrong.

There would certainly be a lot to lose if this movement were to fail. The gloating would be heard all the way to Lambeth Palace and beyond to Constantinople, with the Vatican sighing, hoping the smarter ones will cross the Tiber as bishops Steenson, Herzog and others have done.

But the story is not over. Not by a long shot. Just this week, the Dean and President of Nashotah House announced unity talks with St. Vladimir's seminary, Metropolitan Jonah's home, solidifying relationships there. Speaking to an international audience, Archbishop Duncan stated that signing the conference's inter-seminary covenant, committing Nashotah House and St. Vladimir's seminaries to mutual prayer and fellowship, "lays the groundwork of something very much larger", namely "serious dialogue" with the OCA and "the resumption of ecumenical discussion between two separated parts of the Church."

Despite this common ground, Duncan believes that there are still obstacles to overcome along the road to full communion of the two Churches. He listed three areas: The "filioque" clause, which was added to the Nicene Creed by the Western Church, stating the double procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son; the ordination of women, which is strenuously objected to by Orthodoxy and permitted in parts of the ACNA; and lastly, the Archbishop's reference to the Calvinism of some of ACNA's membership, prohibited by Orthodoxy and condemned as heresy.

Score another success for Duncan along the ecumenical Appian way.

Ambridge-based Trinity School for Ministry is training priests for the next generation of AC-NA leaders. The new Anglican train will not soon be derailed. It also has several cars filled with Canadian Anglicans hitched to it.

Only time will tell if it all holds together. With each passing week, however, ties seem to grow stronger, even as the grip on Episcopalians by TEC grows weaker. Latest figures reveal that almost every Episcopal diocese lost members in 2008, while almost every one of the 28 dioceses in AC-NA grew.

There isn't a peace prize for Archbishop Robert Duncan, and perhaps there ought not to be one, it might go to his head. But it would be very odd if he did not hear "in that day" the ultimate accolade from the Almighty himself with the words, "well done thou good and faithful servant."

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CH-Discern
Posted: 2009/10/11 23:22  Updated: 2009/10/11 23:22
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I thank God for you, Archbishop Duncan.
Clearly the right man for the job....for this time, place, and situation.

It was absolutely necessary for North American Anglicans to return to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, to the authority of scripture, to apostolic morality, and to 39 Article doctrine....versus apostate TEC. But a man at either extreme, AngloCatholic or Evangelical, would not have been able to pull it off. For ultimate success, AC-NA requires both streams.

Secondary struggles for discernment regarding Prayerbook(s) and WO will continue, as they should-- but they should not divide us.

The Anglican branch of Christianity must re-unify itself, wielding with skill the "sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God." But remember, it is a "two edged sword" and can be expected to continue to cut off the chaff from the wheat. Good riddance to apostate leaders and churches. Welcome home, defenders of the faith once received!
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David, once again I will point out the error in your allegation (refuted many times) that there are 58 different groups deriving from the St Louis Church Congresss of 1977. There may be out there approximately that many tiny groups, most having their existence only in the list created by Anglicans Online. But by the most liberal interpretation of history, only five or perhaps six of these have any real roots in the St Louis event.
As for the gloating over the "unity" in the crazy-quilt hodgepodge calling itself ACNA, check with us in five years. "Let he that standeth take heed lest he fall."
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CH-Discern:
Bp. Duncan's goal has never been to form ranks around Biblical principles, but rather to form ranks around political realities such that it can become more than a federation so that it can be recognized as a "Province" by the Anglican Communion.

It seems to me that on his objective, he has been very successful. ACN, REC, FIF, CANA, and AMIA now each allow non-standard liturgies that conflict with the1662 BCP (most notably the '79). They each have significant elements of the so-called Anglo-Catholicism. In their assembly they have cozied up to the arminian Rick Warren and to the reformation hating monarch of the Orthodox Church. When they came to writing their constitution and canons, the GAFCON language supporting reformational cornerstones like the 39 Articles and the 1662 BCP almost disappeared.

Reformed Anglicanism has been left out in the cold, supplanted by the more politically powerful guns of Arminianism and Romewardizing sacramentalism. It now seems highly unlikely that the 39 Articles and the 1662 BCP will ever be more than dusty relics in its library.
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Article well written and true. I've heard nothing but positive things about the Archbishop and the direction ACNA is headed in. To unite under one banner is amazing. As long as ACNA remains true to sacred scripture and tradition and with sound guidance by the Archbishop, as a true sheppard. I pray God in His Love Blesses ACNA and it's leadership today, tomorrow, and always!!!
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I too thank God for the courage and faithfulness of Archbishop Bob Duncan in season and out of season. We lift up his arms in prayer during this unpleasant legal assault on the faithful people of the Diocese of Pittsburgh. Thank God for dioceses that have stood together in impossible times and remained faithful to the Gospel at great personal cost.

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Nice summary of the surprising success Robert Duncan has had in forming ACNA. It is so much easier to fracture and remain fractured than to unite. He remains an amazingly humble man.

Rather than bristling at the exact number of Anglican entities and which ones are legitimate, it would be better to examine why these continuing churches remain "separated by far less than what unites the AC-NA". There is a lesson there.

This article was hardly "gloating". All the hazards and pitfalls which could sink ACNA are mentioned, as well as the critics from whom "The gloating would be heard all the way to Lambeth Palace and beyond..." It appears LKW is eagerly expecting the opportunity to join these gloaters.
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Aaytch-

I must respond to your post. Your ability to divine Duncan’s motives is amazing.

But in my view, if he is wise politically and also able to begin reconciling evangelicals and anglo-catholics, as well as supporting 39 Article Anglican doctrine, he is exactly what we need.

I keep hearing about people’s view of orthodoxy being connected to particular Prayerbook editions. Come on, there are so many editions and versions out there (from the beginning of Anglicanism) that who is to say which is the “right” one? Of course…..that would be you.
Presently, I regard a modernized version of 1662 to be the best idea. But I may yet change my mind.

You seem worried by Arminianism. It seems to me that the Arminian camp is well balanced by a number of Calvinistic leaning priests in those who are part of AC-NA. Fear not, God is creating a balance of His own among His people. He really does know what He is doing.

God is into the reconciliation of those who have a heart for Christ, and that is an important purpose of His Church, perhaps only secondary to saving lost souls. Again: "Unity in essentials, liberty in non-essentials, and love in all things." The problem is that we do not yet agree as to what are essentials and what are non-essentials. Some of us want to divide over secondary issues.
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The secondary issues are not worth dividing over.

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"Again, this was a brilliant move. Duncan could not invite a Roman Catholic leader as Rome would not nor could not recognize AC-NA, (even though they might be sympathetic to it)"

Could someone explain why Rome would not nor cannot recognize ACNA?
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"Could someone explain why Rome would not or cannot recognize ACNA?"

Two things: Women's Ordination, and Anglican Holy Orders (a lack of proper form, i.e. "the sacred order of priest"). In other words, in order to be considered ordained, one must be "properly" ordained as in the Roman Catholic Sacred Rite of Ordination. Anything else is considered somehow "invalid."

Personally, I don't think it matters one whit to Christ how one is ordained, as long as he serves the Church (the people).

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I'm with you, Cennydd.

But I'm sure you would add more to the requirements of ordination than just service to the church, like loving the Lord, submission to scripture, adherence to the traditional creeds, and maybe a few other things.

But I agree with your point. Some ecclesial definition of proper ritual as valid or invalid is ridiculous. Jesus Christ called Paul without any validity having been put on it by the Jerusalem Church. Fortunately, they eventually agreed with the Lord's choice. I don't think that God cares too much for human attempts at ecclesiastic control over His domain.
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In the Civil War, the Confederacy remained cohesive, at least somewhat, only because it was facing a common enemy. The southern states had all loudly proclaimed "states' rights" as they voted to secede from the Union. If they had won the war, their victory would have enshrined the principle of states' rights in the new nation. In time, as one crisis after another arose, the Confederate states would have followed that principle until they became eleven independent countries. This would have been the Balkanization of the South which would now be a collection of small, poor, backward third world nations.

I see parallels between this historical model and what is going on with ACNA now. Dioceses have claimed the right and have acted upon the theory that they can secede from TEC. Widely varying groups have united to face a commmon foe. In time and once they establish the principle of separation, one can expect to see splinters peeling off over all sorts of contentious issues now glossed over (e.g. prayer book, women clergy, governance, finances). Abp Duncan will have an impossible task of forming a cohesive whole out of different entities all clinging to the right of secession.
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Although I was not old enough to understand what was happening, I wonder if that very civil war analogy is what happened to the single group that formed at St. Louis. It almost immediately became three groups. Some of those groups have split and merged and split again.

While I think it would be wonderful to see a single unified Anglican church in North America, including all the continuum, I doubt such a thing is possible. Both the continuing movement and the ACNA are made up of groups that have left over different issues, and do not agree on those very issues.
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With no knowledge of the inner workings of the St. Louis group or of the ACNA, it appears to me on the outside that widely divergent groups have been tenuously united (linked mught be a better word) only by a common foe. Even our generous host here, David Virtue, says in his editorial above that Duncan juggles polar opposites: the evangelicals (Warrenists) and sacramentalists (Jonahists).

I still cling to the Civil War analogy (I can't help it, I am a southerner). The only way the CSA could have prevailed was by foreign recognition and support (as France for the 13 colonies). So too the ACNA will succeed only by recognition and support of the Abp of Canterbury and the established councils of the Anglican Communion. So far that has not happened. Whether it will is anyone's guess although I rather suspect it will not happen.

Therefore, if there are irreconcilable internal elements and if the ACNA fails to get recognition from Canterbury, the present entity of ACNA is doomed to a short life indeed.

Perhaps some of our bloggers out there who know more about the sub-groups of the ACNA could enlighten us on the nature of the inner divisions. I for one would like to know. How serious are they?
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The Primates are scheduled to meet in February, 2010, and the question of recognition of the ACNA will be considered at that time.

The Church of England's House of Bishops have already recommended the recognition by the Primates, I believe.

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How much do we value and believe in the Nicene Creed?

History is clear that it was developed as a response to common enemies (heretics). It brought about some unity, and I hope it continues to help unify currently separated branches of the Church. But I am sure that the Creeds did not bring everyone together, and nothing we can do will accomplish that either. Not as long as the Church is in this evil world and there are tares among the wheat.

But some degree of togetherness is worth working for....because it is the Lord's will that we be one.
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Surely it would be better to use the word "traditional" or "conservative" rather than "orthodox" for bishops who ordain women.
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I certainly like the idea of not calling those that practice WO orthodox, but there needs to be a better choice of words. They are in no way traditional and only conservative but the vaguest of definitions.
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You are right, ASF1970, my suggestions don't fill the bill.
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FrWells: Calling someone a False Witness smacks of judging also. If you do not know "for sure" that there are not 58 of the (As I take your word)original 58 entities, then you are just kicking up dirty for the sack of it.

But, as far as the ACNA, I find no unity or proper direction either. This is in reference to the ordaining of women, as the practice is still going on in that organization. Sin is sin and ordaining women is the poison that will bring the roof down on them all. We have an example of Schori to look upon.
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hughmc5,
Easy to sit back and ridicule another person. But you are alone in your views, for even his enemies respect him. For more than any other cleric, Bishop Duncan has lead the orthodox to a new place. He organized a new Province, recognized not yet but be assured it will be.
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BY THE WAY, A GREAT ARTICLE DAVID VIRTUE!!
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Sorry, braddhutt, but hughmc5 is far from alone in his view. Bravo, hughmc5. And as far as ACNA getting acceptance as the newest province of the Anglican Communion, don't bet on it. The minute the communion as a whole recognizes plural bodies of the Anglican Communion in the nation-state of one constituent member, is the moment they sign their death warrants for the divisions will never end.
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Alabamian,

Until the Lord returns in power and glory, the divisions among Christian organizations in the world may never end anyway. You know history: The Great Schism between RCC and EO, the Reformation, the multitude of protestant bodies, etc. Despite this history, I choose to work toward reconciliation, because I know the prayer of Jesus that we all be one as He and the Father are one.

For those conservative Anglicans who do not embrace the extremes of Catholicism, judgmental Calvinism, or liberal revisionism, ACNA should be a great place to hang out until that Great Day. It is mission oriented and God will not shut its doors. I see the opportunity for it to be the modern version of the Church in Philadelphia (see Revelation).

O Gracious Father, we humbly beseech Thee for Thy holy catholic [universal] church; that Thou wouldest be pleased to fill it with all truth in all peace. Where it is corrupt, purify it; where it is in error, direct it; where in anything it is amiss, reform it. Where it is right, establish it; where it is in want, provide for it; where it is divided and rent asunder, make up the breaches of it, O Thou Holy One of Israel; for the sake of Him who died and rose again, and ever liveth to make intercession for us, Jesus Christ, Thy Son, our Lord. Amen. (Laud's Prayer)
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Alabamian: As long as Schori is in court trying to get "her" property back from the diocese that split away, the RW will not sign off on the ACNA to become a province.
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Well, that will be a very long time indeed. Apparently not one of the breakaway cases is near settlement. The closest, San Joaquin, is on appeal. The last two, Fort Worth and Quincy have barely begun. And now, it looks as if we are about to have a fifth case, South Carolina. This coming Satueday, a special convention is expected to give the bishop the power to remove the diocese from the governing bodies of TEC.
And, one small correction on "the diocese that split away." The diocese in fact does not split away. Rather, the majority of people form a new diocese under the primacy of a non-Episcopalian entity. The Episcopal diocese continues on under new personnel.
No one tried harder to take the Episcopal diocese out of TEC than did Duncan. He failed utterly. The court ruled there, as everywhere else, that the Episcopal diocese is an entity of TEC and cannot be removed without approval of TEC.
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TEC is clearly dying of attrition. Time is not on her side. What the ABC does will not matter. ACNA is associated with Global South Anglicans and that is where the future is.
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Actually, I have always thought that the future is GAFCON, but we haven't heard much about that group lately.

David, do you have anymore on GAFCON. I read the one on the FCA-UK. It seems that most of us would like to hear more about GAFCON though.
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 Re: The Mind and Mission of Anglican Archbishop Robert Du...
"Could someone explain why Rome would not or cannot recognize ACNA?"

Two things: Women's Ordination, and Anglican Holy Orders (a lack of proper form, i.e. "the sacred order of priest"). In other words, in order to be considered ordained, one must be "properly" ordained as in the Roman Catholic Sacred Rite of Ordination. Anything else is considered somehow "invalid."

WRONG.

Catholics accept Orthodox priests as "validly" and "properly" ordained.
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Posted: 2009/10/22 22:06  Updated: 2009/10/23 0:33
Just can't stay away
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 Re: City of Confusion: The Mind and Mission of Robert Duncan
No one who has been part of the PECUSA, ECUSA, or TEC (yes, the same organization) any time in the past has any room to judge anyone else regarding how long they stayed before they jumped ship. Most of us eventually hit the lifeboats because we saw it sinking of self-destructive heretical tendencies.

But none of us can judge another because we too could have left earlier.

This downward spiral has been going on throughout our lives, and most obviously during the past 40 years. Even the Continuers could have left earlier; no one was stopping them.
So we cannot judge Duncan on that one; he did a lot to try to repair the ship... but it was too late.

Only God could know when was the right time for each of us to leave.
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