"England, Oh England, How Often Would I have gathered You..."
COMMENTARY
By David W. Virtue in England
www.virtueonline.org
October 6, 2009
Forty some years ago, The Rev. John Stott, England's then premier Church of England Bible teacher, preached a series of sermons from the pulpit of All Souls Langham Place, London, titled "Hostile to the Church, friendly to Jesus Christ." Today if he were to pick a sermon title for this different cultural time and place it would probably be "Bored with the Church, Apathetic to Jesus Christ."
The truth is people in England today know more about Posh Spice than they do about Jesus Christ. Newspapers and television are full of the culture of celebrity with intimate details of the personal lives of football players, tennis players, actors and actresses, porn stars and politicians.
Christianity in England is irrelevant to more than 98% of the population. Of a total population of 60 million, 27 million claim to belong to or have been baptized in the Church of England, but less than one million attend a parish church each Sunday. (The actual figure is about 830,000).
Evangelical organizations like Anglican Mainstream say it is incorrect to talk about 27 million members of the Church of England, arguing that a figure of 55 million is more accurate, in terms of overall membership in the Anglican Communion, than the much touted 80 million.
Efforts to jump start church membership are only modestly successful and do not touch the vast majority of Brits who find the church less interesting than watching an old rerun of Dr. Who.
Recently the CofE held a Back to Church Sunday - a public relations push to get the lapsed back in the pew. It has been marked by a radio ad campaign to show how hip and happening the Anglican Church is now - "No need to make no innovation. Please accept this as your invitation." Well, that will get all those young folk in, for sure.
Weekly attendance figures have now dropped to below one million. According to the Bishop of Reading, it's quite the wrong sort of million turning up. "How did it come to this," he asked, in what was apparently supposed to be a positive contribution to the attendance debate, "that we have become known as just the Marks and Spencer option?" Jesus, the Bishop feels sure, was more of an Aldi man. But here's the Bishop of Reading wanting to broaden his religious base, and going about it like Gerald Ratner: talking the product down. Have you ever heard a pope say: "The trouble with Catholicism is...", or a mullah put forward the argument: "Here's what's wrong with Islam..."? No. And funnily enough, for them, business is booming.
Wishy-washy pleas will not get us back into church. Trendy sound bites were not the solution, wrote newspaper columnist, Gill Hornby.
A critique of these figures by an independent research organization said that there are more than 1.7 million people worshipping in a Church of England church, or cathedral each month. That figure is "30 per cent higher than the electoral roll figures and has remained stable since 2000," said Lynda Barley, a church researcher. "More are involved in fresh expressions of church and chaplaincies across the country and we have no reason to believe that this will drop significantly in the next decade. Of course, we hope and pray even more people will come along and see what they're missing."
Whichever set of figures you choose they are not compelling.
Britain is spiritually famished. It is starved from hearing the Word of God. Churches that focus on music and Eucharist are not drawing the crowds. People want to hear something that will change their lives. They want to hear about God, who He is, and what He is doing. They do not want sermons on the environment or Labor's policies for senior citizens. The average pulpit is bereft from hearing the Word of God.
Enter ALPHA. If it wasn't for ALPHA, one wonders if the Church of England would have any relevance at all. The other truth is that if the Church of England would do its job properly, there would be no need for ALPHA.
The very fact that ALPHA exists bespeaks the failure of the church to communicate the simple verities of the gospel to ordinary people. And it took an attorney turned priest to do it. The biggest growth in cities like London is precisely because of ALPHA's outreach into the urban jungle. ALPHA has been so successful they have taken over dying churches and filled them with new converts, much to the chagrin of laissez faire vicars who believe their benefice should not be beholden to these "happy clappy evangelicals."
There are isolated pockets of evangelical resistance in towns and villages across the country. A sojourn I recently made to Sevenoaks, Surrey revealed a vibrant parish, a gospel-committed vicar and young people playing a major role in the growth of the church. Sure they made compromises with worship styles, but the church was packed on a Sunday evening competing against televised football.
The truth is England is post Christian. The English don't hate religion, or for that matter the Church of England. They simply don't care. It is simply not part of their everyday thinking. The local pub is a bigger attraction than the local parish.
Vicars who do believe the gospel and try to muster interest in The Faith also have to fight battles over a host of issues ranging from the environment to the legalization of assisted suicide and voluntary euthanasia. On the latter issue, at least, the beleaguered Archbishop of Canterbury and his colleagues deserve praise for taking a stand for biblical principles in the midst of an onslaught of secular values.
No such clarity can be obtained on pansexuality where the church dithers over unbiblical sexual arrangements as though it were some special category of sexual sin that requires God to change his mind to suit the changing moral values of our times. The church shows weakness and people walk away asking, "So, what makes the church unique, why should I get out of bed on a Sunday morning to get what I can read in The Guardian, The SUN and the London Times?" What DOES the Church of England stand for?
Making nice noises about the environment and living longer doesn't answer the question: Why people are living longer and for what purpose? I see thousands of pensioners on buses, in Little Chefs filling up, emptying out, in restaurants, filling hotels, walking the moors, fields and coasts. One has to ask are these people tip-toeing to Christless eternities, unaware of the spiritual dangers of believing in nothing except their own immediate survival?
The church is powerless against the onslaught of secularism because it has lost its fundamental message of salvation. Clergy are terrified of proclaiming a gospel that defies pluralism, secularism, and scientism. They live in abject fear of offending their Islamic neighbors with a gospel the Apostle Paul called an "offence".
James Gibson of Sanctus writes, "The Church of England doesn't get much right these days. From approving female bishops to a comical policy on same sex clergy couples, the Mother Church of the Anglican Communion has lately been providing more laughs at the expense of English Protestantism than a Monty Python skit."
He has it about right, except for the darker side of unbelief that no one talks about. Sin and salvation, heaven and hell are not to be heard from C of E pulpits. The Mother Church takes a stand for life (euthanasia et al) but not for eternal life.
One Conservative Party British cabinet minister said forced secularism is "not the British way" and recently accused the Government of relying on a failed policy of multiculturalism. In a speech to the Conservative Party conference, she said it was time to "mend the broken ties that should bind us".
Lady Warsai, a Muslim stated, "Under Labour, the state has become increasingly sceptical of an individual's religious belief. We've all seen the stories, how appalling that in Labour's Britain a community nurse can be suspended for offering to pray for a patient's good health. How awful that a school receptionist could face disciplinary action for sending an email to her friends simply asking them to pray for her daughter. At the heart of these cases lies a growing intolerance and illiberal attitude towards those who believe in God."
She added, "It's an agenda driven by the political elite, who have hijacked the pursuit of equality by demanding a dumbing down of faith. It's no wonder that this leads to accusations in the media that our country's Christian culture is being downgraded. For many their faith brings them closer to their neighbour, it's the driver for their voluntary work, the basis of their social action. And for many, faith is the basis for some of the best schools in our country." She also said "State multiculturalism" is "forcing" Britain's diverse communities to still define themselves as different, patronisingly special and tempting them to compete against each other for public funds.
"It's the madness of political correctness which fails to teach our children British history in case it offends, and is the madness of translating documents into a multitude of languages instead of actually teaching people English."
Note that these words were uttered not by the Archbishop of Canterbury, but by a Muslim. The only other person to speak out so publicly and boldly about the spiritual state of affairs in England is Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali. He has stepped down to speak out more publicly about Britain's lost estate, her appeasement with Islam at the expense of Britain's Christian heritage and the dangers of multiculturalism.
If you wonder why Global South Anglicans listen with a jaundiced ear to the ABC, this is why. The CofE has nothing to teach them. Colonialism is dead, so is the Church of England.
England is going nowhere spiritually. The nation has lost its way. Its inhabitants are stirring out their lives with coffee spoons; they are dying for lack of spiritual bread and they are sending themselves to hell. In the end, the church will be held accountable for its failure and lack of nerve, bearing in mind St. Peter's words, "judgment begins first with the household of God".
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| chorale | Posted: 2009/10/6 22:12 Updated: 2009/10/6 22:12 |
Just popping in ![]() ![]() Joined: 2008/4/8 From: County Durham, UK Posts: 13 |
David, thank you for your assembled critique of the society and church of my sixty-five years.
How ARE things across the pond these days? All well I hope. Chris Baker - Durham UK |
| webb2k | Posted: 2009/10/6 22:19 Updated: 2009/10/6 22:19 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/3/23 From: MISSOURAH!!! Posts: 100 |
"Britain is spiritually famished. It is starved from hearing the Word of God. Churches that focus on music and Eucharist are not drawing the crowds. People want to hear something that will change their lives. They want to hear about God, who He is, and what He is doing. They do not want sermons on the environment or Labor's policies for senior citizens. The average pulpit is bereft from hearing the Word of God."
This is also true of US mainline Protestantism, and look where they are. Starved for truth and the church unwilling to give it for what ever reason. "Wishy-washy pleas will not get us back into church. Trendy sound bites were not the solution . . ." And the advertising that these churches have bought brought in how many converts? "The truth is England is post Christian. The English don't hate religion, or for that matter the Church of England. They simply don't care. It is simply not part of their everyday thinking. The local pub is a bigger attraction than the local parish." True here, too. However, from what I understand of UK pubs, what is stopping a vicar from going to the local pub and discussing the Faith with a pint? American bars are different and I don't think that would work here. I could be mistaken. The fact remains, when you try programs, when you try to be what you are not, when you water down the Gospel, you build your church on sand. Preach the truth of the Gospel every Sunday. Live the faith EVERY day and see what happens. Peace and Blessings. |
| hmcovert | Posted: 2009/10/6 22:32 Updated: 2009/10/6 22:32 |
Just popping in ![]() ![]() Joined: 2008/2/13 From: Posts: 3 |
David, this is a beautiful report on the Church of England. Unfortunately, the wonderful John Stott is one of a kind. His church, even though he's retired, is a marvelous place. I visit every time I'm in London. It is a blessing.
I know of several other outstanding churches, one in Reigate. On the whole, there needs to be a revival and not a PR campaign. Blessings for your great work. Harry Covert |
| Baring-G | Posted: 2009/10/6 22:48 Updated: 2009/10/6 22:48 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/8/8 From: Republic of Florida Posts: 135 |
To most of your points I agree.So many people in the UK today find most of the churches irrelevant to their lives.The Church of England in particular is regarded by many as a branch of government.Many parishes are not friendly to visitors and most of the clergy do not preach and teach THE FAITH.The media is as secularist and leftwing as the US media is.Much of the blame can be laid a the feet of the three main political parties and their leadership.The inclusiveness and multiculturalism has bred separarate societies ; and with the large rates of reproduction of the Moslems and Hindus will bring forth an altogether unrecognizable identity in the future.It is entirely possible that in the future the United Kingdom will break up, with the Scots and Welsh re-establishing their independence, with Northern Ireland becoming part of the Irish Republic as Protestant rates of reproduction fall.Disestablishment of The Church of England is overdue, and the Continuing Anglican churches need to be treated fairly and allowed to buy some of the "redundant" church buildings, which they currently are not allowed to purchase. Fr Baring-Gould +
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| Hatherly | Posted: 2009/10/6 23:54 Updated: 2009/10/6 23:54 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/11/21 From: Australia Posts: 77 |
Thanks David for this.
reminded me back in the 50"s and 60's where here in Australia the CofE was a password or the easiest thing for people to say to indicate their "religious" affiliation..Once the CofE became Local and thus called the Anglican Church in Australia..I was most relieved, that we were no longer called CofE.. more so in this day and age..It seems it is now what it used to be here. Is Multiculturalism to blame for this attitude???? or is it a causative factor ??? |
| eChurch | Posted: 2009/10/7 7:47 Updated: 2009/10/7 7:47 |
Just popping in ![]() ![]() Joined: 2009/8/22 From: Posts: 14 |
Thanks David, this is a stunning piece, dripping with truth and heading like an arrow straight to the very heart of the matter.
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| UKUSER | Posted: 2009/10/7 12:04 Updated: 2009/10/7 12:06 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/7/21 From: United Kingdom Posts: 241 |
Dear Dave,
What you say is true, all too true (although the a mounting level of anti-Christian hostility in the UK is something you could have mentioned.) The only only sign of hope is that growing threat of financial insolvency are now making some local church leaders wake-up to reality. sadly, I think it may well be a case of 'too little, too late.' As a people the English have been given over to a retributive spiritual blindness. The C of E has become a depraved and syncretic cult. Christians are fools to continue with it. The only way forward would seem to be the House Church model seen in places like China. As my late father used to say about the UK, 'we're morally and spiritually bankrupt as a nation.' Thanks for pointing these things out Dave. |
| Fidelis | Posted: 2009/10/8 0:38 Updated: 2009/10/8 0:38 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2008/2/25 From: Sydney Posts: 72 |
By coincidence I have just been re-watching David Pawson's video on the growth of Islam in Britain.
His findings [ based on months of research ] are indeed sobering; Pawson expects Britain to be an Islamic nation by 2050. The growth in the U.K.s Moslem population far outstrips other ' multicultural ' groups and thrives in the spiritual vacuum left by the 'national church'. I first lived in the UK back in the sixties, and that's when the trend to secularism and plurality really accelerated. |
| Luther | Posted: 2009/10/9 14:59 Updated: 2009/10/9 14:59 |
Just popping in ![]() ![]() Joined: 2009/9/8 From: Posts: 13 |
Don't use Alpha - use Scripture, it's not flawed.
Preach the Gospel, preach the doctrines of grace, and God will honour those who honour Him! |
| CH-Discern | Posted: 2009/10/16 23:00 Updated: 2009/10/16 23:00 |
Just can't stay away ![]() ![]() Joined: 2009/10/10 From: Posts: 110 |
Someone who has been through the Alpha program please tell me if I am wrong. I understand that Alpha is basically a back-to-the-Bible program.
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| Bengibor | Posted: 2009/10/19 15:50 Updated: 2009/10/19 15:50 |
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I cannot but agree more. Each time I go there I get more and more depressed. Last time I attended a service in Northumberland. It was forth Sun in Advent. I was expecting a decent service hoping that some of conservatism has been preserved away from big cities in the English countryside. And behold and lo, that morning they decided to read Charles Dickens instead of the Scriptures. I couldn't but leave the service having realized the vicar was serious about Dickens. The service on Sun before was ever 'better'. A priestess brought a trash bin onto a pulpit and bragged about ecology and environmental protection for 20min. the Scriptures read prior to her 'sermon' was irrelevant to her.
After all, why bother with such churches when we can read they they preach in Guardian and other lefty papers. On the other hand, even some 'evangelical' parishes in London weren't much better. They discredited the liturgy completely and the priests 'allowed the Spirit to lead'. It's redundant to say what those services were like. No wonder the prophets of the OT often talked about 'remnant'. |
| Bethany | Posted: 2009/10/19 19:08 Updated: 2009/11/7 17:28 |
Just popping in ![]() ![]() Joined: 2009/7/26 From: Posts: 11 |
In an earlier comment someone mentioned disestablishment. I read somewhere that Charles Darwin went to Cambridge to study theology. Because like others, he could earn a comfortable living working in a parish while being paid by the state, not just by the parishioners. The parishioners by themselves might have a different idea on how their priests are doing than the people at the top.
Also, a BBC program called Midsomer Murders shows the country Anglicans as they seem to be. In a Season 12 show called "Death In The Chorus," the parishioners are singing a bawdy song and either don't know, or more likely don't care what the words of the song are saying. Art imitating life? |
| patience | Posted: 2009/10/27 0:21 Updated: 2009/10/27 0:21 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/5/3 From: Posts: 310 |
Alpha is Bible based. and a great start - I accepted Jesus as Lord on a well run Alpha course.
David, I must say though, British society has undoubtedly coarsened, but are not many of the same trends present, perhaps less so, in the USA? Revivial is needed in the West. |














