SOUTH CAROLINA: Bishop's Address Leaves Clergy Bewildered as to Diocese' Future
Lawrence Proposes Withdrawing from TEC Governing Bodies
News Analysis
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
August 14, 2009CHARLESTON, SC-- Clergy, attending a special meeting of the Diocese of South Carolina this week, heard Bishop Mark Lawrence say that the diocese needs to distance itself from the governing bodies of The Episcopal Church. He then held out an exit card to parishes wanting to leave the diocese for safer more orthodox ecclesiastical pastures.
Lawrence advocated withdrawing as a diocese from "all bodies of governance of TEC that have assented to actions contrary to Holy Scripture; the doctrine, discipline and worship of Christ as this church has received them; the resolutions of Lambeth which have expressed the mind of the Communion; the Book of Common Prayer (p.422-423) and the Constitution & Canons of TEC (Canon 18:1.2.b) until such bodies show a willingness to repent of such actions."
It was bewildering and confusing, an orthodox rector told VOL. "Liberal rectors concluded that he would not take the diocese out of TEC and therefore would not go after him by appealing to Jefferts Schori or David Booth Beers, but a number of orthodox rectors, many of whom have sworn allegiance to the wider Anglican Communion are now weighing their options. I would not be surprised if a number of them decided to leave," the source said.
In his long peroration delivered at St. James' Church, James Island, Charleston, Lawrence blasted the actions of The Episcopal Church's recent General Convention, upheld the authority of Scripture, urged the diocese not to consider leaving TEC, and concluded by calling for a special convention on Oct. 24 to vote on proposals that he presented during the meeting.
"It was bizarre," said an evangelical priest. "People are trying to understand what the bishop really said. If he doesn't uphold the doctrine and discipline of the church (meaning TEC), what does he want ordinands to uphold that will be accepted by the leadership of TEC?"
Can he uphold the doctrine and discipline of the church (universal) and by pass TEC?
"He is skating on very thin ice," said another priest. "He was pressed over and over, but would not reveal the deeper plan of the diocese."
According to clergy who attended the meeting, the special Diocesan Convention in Oct. 24 will grapple with how ordinands take their vows to TEC. "I understand this means adapting them in such a way as to make vows prior to GC2003 (and Gene Robinson's ordination.)" A resolutions committee will write up special resolutions to be heard for that convention, VOL was told.
Lawrence hinted that he was looking for a third option or third way in dealing with TEC, which begs the question why he did not align himself and his diocese with the Anglican Communion Institute (ACI) as Central Florida Bishop John W. Howe has done.
In his speech, he talked about the Anglican Communion Development Committee, which no one has ever heard of, to draw together his diocese with orthodox parishes in revisionist dioceses. In his polemic, he called for sound doctrine, and more and better missional actions. Then he stated, "There is also a need to find ways to support conservative parishes and missions in dioceses where there is isolation or worse. I would like to encourage congregations in this diocese to create missional relationships with '"orthodox" congregations' isolated across North America."
This is dangerous talk. Very dangerous. If he should cross diocesan boundaries and come to the revisionist Diocese of Pennsylvania and approach the evangelical Church of the Good Samaritan, in Paoli, it would excite the Standing Committee to act against the parish. Does Lawrence have any understanding at all of just how much pressure orthodox parishes are under in revisionist dioceses? Any move by him would raise red flags and send shudders throughout the parish clergy. Recently, the Standing Committee of the diocese refused to allow a recognized Anglican bishop, in the person of Frank Lyons of Bolivia, to preach at a Sunday service.
Lawrence then said , on The Emergence of 21st Century Anglicanism: "We need to be guided by the principle that we are called to help shape an emerging Anglicanism that is sufficient of the 21st Century...We have the opportunity to help shape the emergence of a truly global Anglicanism-Making Biblical Anglicans for a Global Age." What are GAFCON and ACNA all about? They ARE the emerging Anglicanism of the 21st Century.
"The Archbishop (of Canterbury) has expressed in section 25 of 'Communion, Covenant and our Anglican Future' his strong hope that 'elements' [dioceses?] will adopt the Covenant. I believe we ought to sign on to the Ridley Draft of the Covenant as it presently stands in all four sections. (If it means we need to withdraw from a lawsuit, we withdraw from a lawsuit). Therefore we need to begin the process of studying the Ridley Draft in every deanery and parish and be prepared to vote on it either in the special convention in October or, if that's too ambitious a time frame, no later than our Annual Diocesan Convention in March 2010."
Few people are even buying the fact that a covenant will be signed up by everyone...especially not the liberals. Not many conservatives believe it will fly either. Pinning ones hopes on the covenant is a vain hope at this late stage in the Anglican Communion train wreck.
Lawrence says he wants to work with several of the Provinces within the Communion, and, "if they are so inclined to partner with us, we should work with GAFCON and ACNA from within TEC to further gospel initiatives." This dog won't hunt. If Lawrence makes any move towards GAFCON, Jefferts Schori will come down on him like a ton of bricks. Whatever his definition of "partner" is, it better be very loose or all hell will descend on him from 815 2nd avenue, New York
Lawrence did have one idea that made sense. In his concluding thoughts, he said that should a parish find it needs to be served by alternative Episcopal care he will work with them towards that end. That's good news. No litigation. Clearly, he has learned something from bishops John W. Howe and James Stanton. But it better be fair market value or David Booth Beers will have something to say about it.
Canon Philip Ashey, COO of the American Anglican Council told VOL, "that on Sunday, June 22nd the Provincial Council of the ACNA unanimously passed a resolution expressing its solidarity with all communion partner dioceses and our desire for them and us to sign the Ridley Cambridge draft as it stands. The AAC also enjoyed supporting and assisting the deputies from the Diocese of South Carolina at GC2009. As members of the Anglican Church in North America and as brothers and sisters in Christ we look forward to partnering with Bishop Lawrence and the Diocese of South Carolina."
The truth is the diocese is isolated with nowhere to go. It is surrounded by liberal and revisionist Episcopal dioceses. What is in its favor is the ability to grow locally, but even here the diocese has a problem. The Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMiA) is located right in its backyard and they are planting parishes in the same spiritually fertile fields as the Diocese of SC. If Lawrence wants linkages perhaps he should sit down with Bishop Chuck Murphy and resolve the legal dispute over All Saints, Pawleys Island. That might be a good start while entertaining loftier notions of GAFCON and ACNA. (AMiA holds dual citizenship with ACNA and the Province of Rwanda).
"I have no doubt some parishes will now move to leave TEC. It is only a matter of when," concluded one evangelical cleric.
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| SixDays | Posted: 2009/8/14 15:48 Updated: 2009/8/14 15:48 |
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I must admit to being at first a bit puzzled by Bishop Lawrence's statement.
However, now I'm wondering if it is not just a brilliant strategy? Without leaving TEC, he could assist his parishes in doing just that as a Bishop of TEC keeping their property and avoiding a diocesan law suit. As long as he is still a TEC Bishop, TEC may have a difficult time litigating the matter themselves. If he left TEC and took the diocese with him, he would not be able to accomplish this as easily. After everyone has gone without repercussions, he will have no one to preside over. The diocese is lost and he can leave without the legal problems the others have. This is a different approach that might bear close watching and might just work. Just a thought. SD |
| LocoOwl | Posted: 2009/8/14 17:12 Updated: 2009/8/14 17:12 |
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What are GAFCON and ACNA all about? They ARE the emerging Anglicanism of the 21st Century. I take issue with this assertion. There are many of us who have problems with GAFCON's and ACNA's flirtation with the novelty of Women's Ordination. If that is what the emerging Anglicanism looks like, then we will have no part of it. David, I grow weary of your dismissal of the Continuing Churches. Perhaps they are not your style, but we are still here after 30 years. It is true that none of us are swelled to overfilling, but we are still faithful and still Anglican. Sometimes I think we are more Anglican than ACNA has become since that body still uses the heretical 1979 book and practices such novelties as priestesses. ![]() |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/8/14 17:14 Updated: 2009/8/14 17:16 |
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No matter what he does, +Lawrence is in Schori's sights.
Even if he joined the Anglican Communion Institute, he'd still be in TEC, and in my opinion, he'd just be putting off the inevitable by stalling for time....and that time is running out, because sooner or later, his rectors and their people are going to start leaving. Cennydd |
| Quick2Hear | Posted: 2009/8/14 18:23 Updated: 2009/8/14 18:23 |
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LocoOwl, it sounds like you are making an assertion that ALL in the ACNA use the 1979. That is quite simply not true. A large body of the ACNA is from the REC, which does not use the 1979 at all.
I can only speak for myself, but having originally been in a Continuing Church, they seem to not be "continuing." This year from one Continuing jurisdiction, 4 parishes and 8 clergy realinged into REC to be part of the ACNA. |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/8/14 19:26 Updated: 2009/8/14 22:20 |
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Remember, too, that the 1662 Book of Common Prayer has been adopted as the Standard for the Anglican Church in North America, and we are in the process of developing a new BCP which will replace the 1979 book. It will most likely be a version of the 1662 BCP.
Cennydd |
| islandbear | Posted: 2009/8/14 20:02 Updated: 2009/8/14 20:06 |
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I find myself in agreement with many of my colleagues who have already posted, and with David's comment about Bishop Lawrence walking a very fine line.
My fear has been ever since GC 2009 that those conservatives who determined to stay within TEC would have less and less breathing room. I will be praying for SC, and its Bishop. We shall see if Dr. Schori and her minions will exercise "gracious restraint" towards Bishop Lawrence and his Diocese. Islandbear+ |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/8/14 23:59 Updated: 2009/8/15 1:01 |
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It never ceases to amaze me that a woman "bishop" with so little experience compared to over 100 other bishops could be allowed to exert so much influence over her betters, and yes, indeed, they are better than she is; better theologically qualified, much more experienced than she is, and in most cases, much better at dealing compassionately with people....even though they are liberals.
This is a woman on a power trip, who has made it her goal in life to climb to the top while stepping on others and throwing her weight around all over the Anglican Communion. And because the Episcopal Church has piles of cash (or so she thinks), she thinks that their money can buy influence. The Anglican Consultative Council's dependence on TEC money is one example of that, and the same applies to the Anglican Communion Office. She will not hesitate to step on Bishop Lawrence's neck if he dares to step over the mark, and I think he knows it. As I have said before, he needs to decide on whose side he's on....ours, or the Devil's. One cannot serve two masters, Bishop Lawrence! Cennydd |
| Aneirin | Posted: 2009/8/15 3:07 Updated: 2009/8/15 3:07 |
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The sooner that ACNA replaces the 1979 BCP with the 1928 BCP or the 1662 BCP, the better it will be for doing so. I hope that this is a priority for ACNA.
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| aaytch | Posted: 2009/8/15 11:42 Updated: 2009/8/15 11:42 |
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The "orthodox" TEC bishops who were signers of "Anaheim Declaration" have so far refused to lead with clarity and courage, coming up with all sorts of excuses, delaying tactics and half-baked alternative strategies with regard to leaving TEC. As a result of the leadership vacuum, many individuals and parishes are now deciding to depart alone. This is simply shameful.
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| doc4sale | Posted: 2009/8/15 12:38 Updated: 2009/8/15 12:38 |
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I, for one, suspect that Bishop Lawrence has a well conceived plan which will allow parishes to depart based on local polity and at the same time confuscate the "heat" sure to be exercised by Shori and her henchpersons
. Remember that Bishop L., made promises that he "would not lead" the Diocese of SC out of TEC.I would give my '28 prayer book to be a fly on the wall during the conversations between Bishop Lawrence and AB Duncan; AB Duncan and Bishop Iker; and most of all, those conversations between Bishop Murphy and AB Duncan. The AMiA has been VERY lo profile during this formation process of the ACNA. There is a burgening crisis in the making concerning the "mix" of Anglo-Catholics and the Evangelical/Charismatics. WO, while the largest "elephant in the room" is only one of many critical issues that must come to compromise or common purpose. Doc |
| doc4sale | Posted: 2009/8/15 12:49 Updated: 2009/8/15 12:52 |
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There is little hope that ACNA will "revert" to usage of '28, etc. by decree. Ck out the Prayer Book Society's web site to see reviews of the latest efforts to compose a "new" prayer book for ACNA... My guess is that each district or diocese will allow ( must) usage of '28 or earlier and by option, trial of a newly approved draft of a "new " prayer book. There is little general knowledge out there, even in the reforming church, about liturgy, prayer book construction and theology. A new prayer book is emerging but it is a slow and painful process which will require the best minds in Anglican Theology...and that will take resources which are not there right now. I DO think that, as the ACNA gains structure there must be a concerted effort to involve informed and dedicated laity at every appropriate level. Doc
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| fronw | Posted: 2009/8/15 13:18 Updated: 2009/8/15 13:18 |
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I believe the writers quote " that the continuing churches are not continuing needs a bit of clarification..The clergy involved used that particular jurisdiction to their own end via consecrations and promises of greener pastures to their parishes...follow the money.
I would guess it must be convenient to just pick and choose what you want and what you accept..I believe the writers parish also supports WO. Some these folks were friends but they did their best work when the sun went down..The REC being complicit in their actions doesnt speak well for them. |
| Quick2Hear | Posted: 2009/8/16 1:06 Updated: 2009/8/16 1:06 |
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This writers parish does not support ordination of women to the episcopate or presbyterate. There are mixed feelings for women's ordination to the diaconate among the laity.
However, since Paul speaks of Phoebe as being a Deacon in his letter to the Romans, I can not disagree with scripture on the fact that there were women deacons in the time of the apostles. St. John Chrysostom even recognized Phoebe as a deacon in the fourth century. His All Holiness Patriarch Bartholomew, Patriarch of Constantinople during an interview in 1995, stated that only men be ordained to the priesthood and episcopacy. Still, he added that this “is, moreover, the reason why we can certainly revive the ancient tradition of calling women to minister as deacons." So based on Scripture an Tradition, I see no reason to be misogynistic toward women being ordained to the diaconate. |
| patulous | Posted: 2009/8/16 8:18 Updated: 2009/8/16 8:18 |
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Quck2Hear: Your statement: "However, since Paul speaks of Phoebe as being a Deacon in his letter to the Romans, I can not disagree with scripture on the fact that there were women deacons in the time of the apostles."
This leaves much to think about. I checked through all the bibles listed on one my bible references and found: Servant - ESV Sister - NIV, NASB, NASB, NKJV, NIRV Sister/servant - 21st CKJV,ASV,Holman DSB, IVUK Sister/deacon- Today's NIV Deacon - Living Bible Sister/minister - Darby Sister/helper - NCV Leader - DVS Deaconess - Amplified Friend - The Message So you read the Living Bible or Today's NIV. No one can discount either one, we have to weigh each bible as to what one receives from it, I for one like many of them and have many in my library. I did think it worthy of my time to check each one. I also checked 1 Timothy 3:12, and it still says, "Let the deacons be husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well." Phoebe is still left out as a deacon. However, On today's standards for the "Affirmation of St. Louis" churches, she may have be given the title of deaconess. But I haven't heard of any churches using that position for women, though it is listed in the by-laws. |
| ptay12 | Posted: 2009/8/16 13:17 Updated: 2009/8/16 13:17 |
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St. Paul in the original Greek refers to her as in lay status.
The seven great councils also make clear that women as deaconess are of lay status. both scripture and tradition are clear on this point that they are not ordained. They have been set aside for special ministry in the church and entilted to "great respect". The ordination of women as deacons is only about 100 years old and very few churches do it |
| ortholib | Posted: 2009/8/16 16:02 Updated: 2009/8/16 16:03 |
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"The sooner that ACNA replaces the 1979 BCP with the 1928 BCP or the 1662 BCP, the better it will be for doing so."
There were, of course, many BCP editions in between 1549 and 1928. Is it your view that the BCP should never be revised or updated from its 1928 edition? |
| fronw | Posted: 2009/8/17 0:34 Updated: 2009/8/17 0:34 |
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Im sure glad to hear that the only problems in regards to the deaconess are from the laity..they can be pesky cant they.
I would suggest respectfully that you re examine 1 Tim again because your reference to Romans is a dog that just wont hunt. I apologize if I was mistaken in regards to your parishes position on WO but I noticed a picture on your website of a deaconess in Alb and stole being thanked for her homily...tough times ahead when the ACNA attempts to reconcile this issue...you will be in my prayers. |
| Mtngospel | Posted: 2009/8/17 20:58 Updated: 2009/8/17 20:58 |
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When I left TEC my last straws to pluck from my spiritual life were 3 things
1) My priest stating that anyone who has an understanding of scripture should be departed from in haste. KJS amplifies this everytime she opens the new theology from her lips as well as my priest. 2 As a contractor I would often see new families in the area. I would invite them to church. One asked why i would invite her children to be braiinwashed in the "gay " church. 3) the last person I asked to go to the Episcopal church said he would only attend a Christian church & that TEC wassnot & he was right I am sad to say. Based on these 3 issues in my life I cannot understand how anyone can remain faithful to Christ while serving in TEC. I know & will be backlashed for that statement but how can someone uphold the institution above service to Christ. I pray for those remaining that they may find peace within themselves with God. I cannot give credibility to those who are waiting for TEC to rectify itself & proclaim it's not in my church theology. If you support it or turn a blind eye to IT , It is in you. |
| Laytone | Posted: 2009/8/18 13:06 Updated: 2009/8/18 13:06 |
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SixDays,
I had the same thoughts. It seems that Lawrence is bracing himself against the door while allowing individual parishes to escape out the window. He knows, at some point, Schori will crash through the door and he we will be taken for doing so. Right now, he is maintaining the position of a bishop who is not advocating leaving TEC. That position is serving as a buffer between TEC and the individual parish. The question that remains is how many will escape and how long can Lawrence hold the door. |
| GardenSt | Posted: 2009/8/19 17:20 Updated: 2009/8/19 17:20 |
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The Eastern Orthodox churches affirm that women were ordained deacons in the early church and can be so ordained as such today. 1988 Pan-Orthodox Conference in Rhodes called for the restoration of woman deacons; 2005 the Greek Orthodox Church, Athens, Greece approved the ordaination of some nuns as deacons for isolated monasteries; also read the lastest edition of The Orthodox Church, by T. Ware. They clearly state that the order fell into disuse, but not removed from the ordinal and that the deaconess was in holy orders. As to the orders of bishop or presbyter they say there is no warrant in Scripture or Tradition.
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. Remember that Bishop L., made promises that he "would not lead" the Diocese of SC out of TEC.




