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Exclusives : Archbishop of Canterbury Must Face Facts in Quest for Anglican Unity
Posted by David Virtue on 2009/7/28 15:00:00 (4290 reads)

Archbishop of Canterbury Must Face Facts in Quest for Anglican Unity
Two-Tier, Two-Track Communion is way forward, says Williams

News Analysis

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
7/29/2009

The Archbishop of Canterbury has spoken about the actions of GC2009 but what he says brings little comfort or solace to orthodox Anglicans across the world, especially congregations in revisionist dioceses under siege by equally revisionist bishops.

In an effort to keep the Anglican Communion from imploding, the Archbishop of Canterbury is proposing to re-conceive the Communion as essentially a loose federation of local bodies in a "two-tier" or a "two-track" model in an effort to hold the communion together rather than a theologically coherent "community of Christian communities".

Dr. Williams' response to The Episcopal Church General Convention's passage of two explosive resolutions endorsing the ordination of homosexuals as clergy and bishops and rites for same-sex unions that could bring about a de jure schism in the Communion was described by a VOL reader as so much "Ro-Babble - a Panglossian description of the blindingly obvious in 2,823 words."

Nothing is ever final with Williams: "Let's just hope that all will be well in the end, when everyone has signed the Covenant and then we can all hold hands and sing kumbaya.
It is Rowan acting as a pope. He will not allow anyone else to make decisions, and he will string it all along and spin it as much as he can along the way. He is still hoping that the whole Communion can be conned into following TEC's lead. Plant more facts on the ground and just give it time...."

An orthodox archbishop described William's response as "nuanced, offering no leadership in the present crisis."

Virtually all responses to the Archbishop of Canterbury's take on the two GC2009 resolutions have been negative or not at all.

To date, TEC's presiding bishop, the Most Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori, has not responded to Williams' letter.

Orthodox bishops in the newly formed ACNA (soon to be the AC-NA) are keeping quiet, preferring to let Williams stew in his own broth, and not wanting to hurt Williams any more than he is already being hurt by his obfuscations and whitewashing of the facts. A senior spokesman told VOL, "They don't want to embarrass him any further."

Following GC2009, ACNA Archbishop Robert Duncan stepped up to the plate comparing what happened at GC2009 to Jerusalem and Babylon. "The Episcopal Church, whose leaders met at Anaheim, California, from July 8th to 17th, blessed the values and behaviors of a re-defined Christianity: enabling a revisionist anthropology, budgeting litigation rather than evangelism, and confusing received understandings of Scriptural truth, not least concerning the necessity of individual salvation in Christ Jesus. At Anaheim, there were those who valiantly stood against the revolutionary majority, and their pain and grief at what was happening was heartbreaking for all who saw it, not least for their brothers and sisters in the Anglican Church in North America."

Peter Sprigg at the Family Research Council believes The Episcopal Church has committed suicide and wrote the church's obituary, "The Episcopal Church in the United States took another major step toward ensuring its own demise last week, by adopting a resolution endorsing the ordination of homosexuals as clergy and bishops. The resolution, adopted at the denomination's General Convention, said that "gay and lesbian persons . . . have responded to God's call and have exercised various ministries," and declared that "God has called and may call such individuals, to any ordained ministry in the Episcopal Church." The resolution was widely interpreted as abandoning a moratorium on the ordination of homosexual bishops that was adopted after the furor surrounding the appointment of Gene Robinson, a homosexual man, as the Bishop of New Hampshire in 2003."

Not even the unofficial TEC pansexual organization Integrity was happy with Williams' words.

Susan Russell (the Rev.) wrote, "Integrity regrets the Archbishop's categorization of TEC's commitment to full inclusion of the LGBT baptized as a 'rights' issue rather than a 'theological' issue -- believing that it falls sadly short of recognizing all the theological reflection that has both moved and motivated this church over the years.

"We are frankly tired of being told we haven't done the theology, when the truth is that there are those in our wider Anglican family who do not agree with the theology we have done. But what we can do is keep doing it. We can keep reaching out. We can keep working together with our communion partners on mission and ministry all over this Worldwide Anglican Family of ours with those who will work with us. And we can stay in conversation with those who won't."

The Rev. J. Philip Ashey, Chief Operating Officer and Chaplain of the American Anglican Council said, "The real question is which Communion will the ABC choose to work with? Which one will he try to build the future of Anglicanism upon? If he is genuinely interested in an Anglican Communion which has at its heart covenanted provinces with "intensifying relationships," will he continue to return to the false gospel of TEC and its proxies? When they show up to the councils of the Communion (as they most certainly will)-- to the Joint Standing Committee, the ACC, and inter-Anglican ministry networks-- will he welcome them? Will he allow them representation to continue to undermine the very Covenant processes he publicly champions? Or will he finally turn to the orthodox within the Communion and build upon their uninterrupted commitment to a vision of Anglicanism that is biblical, catholic and conciliar?"

"The false gospel of TEC presents a clear and present danger to the Anglican Communion. It is both a theological imperative of justice, and a cultural imperative of "manifest destiny," for TEC's leadership to spread this false gospel to the rest of the Anglican Communion. It has already infected, perhaps fatally, some provinces in the Global North. Jesus said, "let your 'Yes' be 'Yes' and your 'No,' 'No'" (Matt. 5:37) +Rowan Williams "Yes and no" will not stop the spread of this false gospel-- even and especially to the mother Church of England."

"The orthodox leaders of the "Confessing Communion" must now insist upon a robust theology of the Church that goes beyond the Ridley Cambridge Draft of the Proposed Covenant and beyond the Covenant processes-- a theology of the Church that will sustain Anglicanism for the next 100 years."

Covenant anyone?

In his soliloquy, Williams hopes that all the provinces will respond favorably to the invitation to Covenant, but even he expresses his doubts. "But in the current context, the question is becoming more sharply defined of whether, if a province declines such an invitation, any elements within it will be free (granted the explicit provision that the Covenant does not purport to alter the Constitution or internal polity of any province) to adopt the Covenant as a sign of their wish to act in a certain level of mutuality with other parts of the Communion. It is important that there should be a clear answer to this question." Indeed.

"If the present structures that have safeguarded our unity turn out to need serious rethinking in the near future, this is not the end of the Anglican way and it may bring its own opportunities."

And what sort of opportunities exactly is he talking about? What sort of a "structural differentiation" does he believe in that will hold the communion together?

GAFCON is the loyal opposition (at least for now) to the Lambeth Conference. The AC-NA stands in opposition to TEC and the ACoC while the Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans is emerging as the orthodox lightening rod for change in the Church of England.

If Williams is talking about an alternative structure, it is already in place and growing by the day.

A two-tier or two-track railroad fails to deal adequately with the theological issue of sexual relationships lived outside of heterosexual marriage. The orthodox will never give ground on that not if the church survives another 1,000 years. That is clear from Lambeth Resolution 1:10 and the Jerusalem Declaration.

For orthodox Anglicans, sexual sin is a salvation issue and to compromise on that is to let people go to hell without warning them of the consequences.

And the consequences of sexual sin are being felt deeply within TEC as tens of thousands of Episcopalians leave the church. Hundreds of churches are closing or are about to close. Money is draining from the churches as parishioners flee and litigation costs dig deeply into TEC's understanding of "mission."

VOL is getting daily requests from individuals and churches asking for information about how to leave TEC and how to join the ACNA. We see no evidence that that is suddenly going to stop.

Williams' spiritual leadership of the communion is severely and fatally compromised. The truth is the Anglican Communion is leaderless and rudderless.

He writes, "It helps to be clear about these possible futures, however much we think them less than ideal, and to speak about them not in apocalyptic terms of schism and excommunication but plainly as what they are -- two styles of being Anglican, whose mutual relation will certainly need working out."

Nonsense, it is not about "two styles of being Anglican". That completely insults hundreds of Episcopal rectors and a number of bishops who have lost dioceses, churches and pensions, as well as thousands of Episcopalians who have poured their life savings into building churches only to walk away from it all at the end of the day in tears over the direction and apostasy of a church whose leader repudiates personal salvation and other Episcopal leaders gleefully uphold and bless abortion without reprimand.

It is about two theologies, two religions now coexisting uneasily together. That was manifest in Alexandria, Egypt, where the Primates got clarity about two understandings of the Christian faith that no amount of comprehensiveness could eliminate.

Does Cantuar Rowan honestly believe that GAFCON and the Lambeth Conference can be reconciled, that a Bruno or Chane can sit at the same table as an Akinola or Orombi and break bread? Revisionist American bishops have belittled, mocked and accused African Anglicans of being homophobic, narrow-minded, uninclusive and much more.

Does Williams perhaps fancy himself as the Oracle at Delphi? At what point will he admit that Affirming Catholicism has failed, that it is not going to sweep the Anglican Communion, and the Covenant is even less likely than waiting for Godot? Griswold is history, Holloway is history, and TEC is history.

The Communion is moving on leaving Williams behind scrambling in the dust hoping and praying that the words mene, mene, tekel upharson are not the words being written on the great wooden doors of Lambeth Palace by an unseen hand.

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dturk
Posted: 2009/7/29 13:04  Updated: 2009/7/29 13:04
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Rowan Williams is behaving like he is the illegitimate offspring of Neville chamberlain and Jimmy Carter.
Mtngospel
Posted: 2009/7/29 13:24  Updated: 2009/7/29 13:24
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I as a Christian have no interest in sharing communion tiered with an organization that is on the polar end of what I believe as a Christian. It is saddening but not surprising that the ABC is still trying to cater to TEC & keep its foot in the door, not for unity but for the hope that all orthodox will, "come around " to the progressive & high profile teaching of the elitist TEC.

Unfortunately I would be happy if the ABC is removed from the structure of heirarchy as he has physically not done his job concerning the discipline of TEC & siding with the poor people at 815 time & again.

Someone give the queen a call. Maybe She could download a message on her Obama ipod. Surely he gave her coupons for downloads.

It is sad that we are at this point but Praise be to God! that ACNA is formed.

Peace from the Mtn man
myrnajo
Posted: 2009/7/29 14:09  Updated: 2009/7/29 14:09
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I, too, want no association with a band of heretics ! What does the Bible say about walking unequally yoked ? To me this would be a prime example. Besides why would Rowan even consider their association after what Kate has preached about personal relationships with Jesus and all that other garbage she has spewed ?

As for me and my house, we would like to see her and her "crowd" GONE !

BTW, according to her threat to Rowan, all he needs to do is recognize ACNA and she will leave. Well, what is he waiting for - sounds like a simple solution to me !
canongrc
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It seems that the ABC is either unfamiliar with the Law of Non-Contradiction, or assumes that post-modernity has rendered it invalid, replacing it with Griswold's "Law of Pluriform Truth".
mathman
Posted: 2009/7/29 14:52  Updated: 2009/7/29 14:52
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What I do not see is two distinct styles of being Anglican.
I see a style which is pseudo-Anglican (having the form) which in reality is completely free of any relationship to the Scriptures, the Fathers, the Ecumenical Councils, or the Creeds. This pA approach intends to use the contributions of the faithful to steal the property of the faithful, that all might be consigned to the hell of fire.
I see another style, from GAFCON and the Global South, which insists on the faith once delivered to the Saints, and which is saving souls and winning hearts across the world.
The denizens inhabiting 815 would sweep up the entire world into their zany re-definition of theology. In the pA world, there is no call to repentance, there is no Kingdom of Heaven, there is no sin, there is no judgment, there is no hell, and there is no life hereafter.
Interesting. Theology without Theos. In my little world -ology means the study of something. As, Geology means the study of the world. Would not the existence of God be necessary for theology? Not any more.
In pA, one needs only the Millenium Development Goals, as if the UN had ever saved anyone or made life better for a single soul.
The pA approach requires more faith than I can summon. Sorry, but there it is.
Before I believe in pA, I would have to see the hungry fed, the lame walk, the blind see, the deaf hear, and the dead raised. Since such events are forbidden in pA, they can preach to someone else.
Cennydd
Posted: 2009/7/29 15:07  Updated: 2009/7/29 15:07
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I may be overly optimistic, but I'm actually starting to believe that the English House of Bishops will recognize the ACNA, and it won't be too many months before Schori and Company pull up stakes and depart the Communion.

The only Anglicanism they believe in is the kind that they claim to espouse, but that kind is anathema to the majority of the Communion, and we will not suffer when they leave us....which they most assuredly will do, one way or the other.

Cennydd
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The ABC actions in the coming months will all depend on the simple axiom expressed by "Deep Throat" to Woodward and Bernstein..."Follow the money."
Isaac
Posted: 2009/7/29 17:22  Updated: 2009/7/29 17:22
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History will show that the Anglican Communion came apart under Rowan Williams' watch.

Isaac
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I wonder if she departs from the Communion, will she will have a legal leg to stand on concerning church property. That will be the mess that takes down the church.
Cennydd
Posted: 2009/7/29 18:59  Updated: 2009/7/29 21:20
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I'm not an attorney, as everyone on this blog knows, but I really don't think TEC's leaving the Communion would have a bearing on the property issue.

Whether or not TEC actually is a hierarchy, as they are so fond of claiming, depends on how the courts see the issue.

When the Episcopal Church was organized in 1789, their Constitution acknowledged that the dioceses were and still are the building blocks of the Church. Each diocese had, and presumably still has, a great deal of autonomy in handling their own affairs. As far as I know....and if I'm wrong, perhaps someone in the know can correct me on this....this has never been changed.

It takes several dioceses to organize a province, or "national Church;" therefore the "building blocks." Although their Presiding Bishop now claims the opposite, authority comes from the bottom up through their General Convention, with the Presiding Bishop presiding over the House of Bishops as their Chief Bishop, and over sessions of the General Convention.

The President of the House of Deputies has the same function with regard to that House, but does not preside over the Convention.

The present Presiding Bishop, ++Katharine Jefferts Schori, now presumes to rule from the top down, and therefore stands in direct contradiction (or should I say "contravention?") of her Church's Constitution and Canons.

In direct contrast, the Roman Catholic Church IS a true hierarchical Church, with the Bishop of Rome....the Pope....governing from the top down.

As for the issue of properties, I believe it is more proper to say that they are owned by the congregations which bought and paid for them, who actually have the deeds legally registered in their names by the Clerks of the counties in which the properties are situated, but in cases where they are determined to actually be owned by the dioceses, the dioceses themselves are the owners, and not the national Church, which is prohibited from claiming a trust interest in these properties. That is specified in the Constitution and Canons of the ACNA.

The task remaining before us is to convince the judges....and ultimately the U.S. Supreme Court....of this.

Cennydd
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the newly formed ACNA (soon to be the AC-NA)
Hunh? What are you telling us here, David? AC-NA vs ACNA... that doesn't seem to be a distinction to which the public is privy.
Cennydd
Posted: 2009/7/29 21:25  Updated: 2009/7/29 21:25
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I think he means "Anglican Church North America" or "Anglican Church-North America," though I don't know why we'd want to change our name.

I sure haven't heard about any such change, if there IS one.

Cennydd
unitarian
Posted: 2009/7/29 22:29  Updated: 2009/7/29 22:29
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The fact is that no one setting out to create or design a church would come up with the Anglican Communion of the present. It is a historical accident, now bent and twisted by contending forces within.

I really don't see how it can be saved as what is the point of it? Does it have a mission? Other than continuing to be what it once was?
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"I may be overly optimistic, but I'm actually starting to believe that the English House of Bishops will recognize the ACNA, and it won't be too many months before Schori and Company pull up stakes and depart the Communion."

The simple fact is that TEC has, up until recently, enjoyed a great deal of influence throughout the Communion on account of having deep pockets. Well, that well is very rapidly drying up and so with it TEC's clout.

Each ongoing lost member, parish, and diocese represent a loss of income. Add to that the concomitant legal costs of going after departing properties, and the store of treasure is going to be dwindling blindingly fast.

Even what property TEC may manage to retain will be of far, far less help in this current real estate market than it might otherwise be. In fact, maintaining all these empty church buildings will be a fine herd of white elephants. But even if all this were not so, sooner or later a tipping point is going to be reached where TEC simply doesn't have the money for anymore lawsuits, and once that point is reached-and everyone knows it-great numbers of parishes and dioceses will be freely leaving at will.

I've said it here before-the total collapse of TEC could be far, far quicker than anyone is now imagining.
Cennydd
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I think you may be right, Sagamore.

The Episcopal Church reached morbidity (def. 2. "susceptible to or characterized by preoccupation with unwholesome matters; morbid.") in 2003, and they are now on their deathbed.

They are terminal, but they refuse to admit it.

Cennydd
shadowmane
Posted: 2009/7/30 23:54  Updated: 2009/7/30 23:54
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This was a wimpy response. What he should have done was excommunicate the whole TEC.
leader1111
Posted: 2009/7/31 2:04  Updated: 2009/7/31 2:04
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Please stop. I am rolling on the floor laughing so hard. The ABC ..."must face facts" ..... Why, he hasn't so far, and by all accounts isn't going to start now. TEC wants to be attached to the ABC on its terms and money, and the ACNA wants the legitimacy of beings under the ABC. Good luck.
CityTroope
Posted: 2009/7/31 9:12  Updated: 2009/7/31 9:12
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There are Anglicans and there are Episcopagans. What is so hard about that? If the Episocpagans stop pretending they are Christians, I will stop pretending I belong to TEc.
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Quote: "In an effort to keep the Anglican Communion from imploding, the Archbishop of Canterbury is proposing to re-conceive the Communion as essentially a loose federation of local bodies in a "two-tier" or a "two-track" model in an effort to hold the communion together rather than a theologically coherent "community of Christian communities."

RW just can't give up the money that TEC has been providing. Now he is going to tear the communion apart and make it an association of unlike parts, just to keep TEC in the bunch.

All I'm going to say to you RW is, "fear the end of your life, God is waiting for you."
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Well I am beginning to doubt that recognition by the ABC brings with it any form of legitimacy at all. I am not really certain why it is so desirable in the first place.

That being said, I think that recognition will be the worst thing that can happen to the ACNA at this point. Once recognized by the historic See of Canterbury, too many will be tempted to believe that the work is done and the church is a finished product. With this mindset there will be no decision on WO, there will be no single approved BCP, there will be every chance that the ACNA will fall into many of the traps that TEC has over the years.

ABC Williams may in fact be the last ADC to preside over the Communion as an entity. The Communion is so far gone now, that really it does not matter how many tiers he envisions, any number more than one is simply accepting a broken communion as the solution and not the problem.
daveball
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The words "Rowan Williams" and "face facts" are inconsistent together. Rowan the Lost hasn't faced one fact in years, if ever. He hopes that the tooth fairy or the Easter Bunny will show up and make everything alright. As far as a "bipolar" communion - he's completely lost it with this looney idea. Those of who left left because we want nothing to do with the Gospel challenged TEc gang. I will not share communion with them. It's that simple. They don't worship the same God I do. So what is Rowan trying to "hold together"? Believers and non-believers? That is not "communion".
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The results stare us in the face. Process is King and God. Stay tuned to the next "ecclesiastical fun in the sun" conference! Sadly, there will always be another meeting, another proposal and another committee. It's time to realize the intervention on TEC hasn't worked. The patient refuses to stop drinking. (ie...meeting, discussing, debating, equivocating, parsing and voting....) Suppose Athanasius proposed a two-track church? Or are we about to re-write history? A church without authority has sealed its death warrant. RIP TEC

Question: Why would a bishop who has a way for his diocese to remain Anglican not lead it there. Those who stay are putting their people at risk.
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In all that the ABC has done, it does make me wonder what the defender of the faith is thinking in all of this. . . . . has anyone asked the queen, or is she insignificant in all of this?
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