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News : GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Posted by David Virtue on 2009/7/13 19:20:00 (2676 reads)

GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Resolution D025 adopted two to one by liberal clerics

By Michael Heidt
Special Correspondent
www.virtueonline.org
7/13/2009

At 5.55 p.m. the vote was called on amended resolution D025 in the House of Bishops. The results were conclusive: ninety-nine bishops in favor of the resolution, 45 opposed, with two abstentions.

During initial discussion on D025, it become clear that the mind of the House of Bishops was against its watered down variant as amended by Bishop Dorsey Henderson to remove permissive language from the sixth Resolve of the resolution.

The well-known Blues drummer, Bishop Chane of Washington D.C. spoke passionately against the Dorsey Amendment, "B033... has caused great pain, it really has... inhibiting the Church from the breath of the Spirit. It's been discriminatory." After testifying that "Gene Robinson (is) a breath of fresh air, a breath of the Spirit," he went on to say, "There is no winner, there is no loser here. There is only the breath of the Holy Spirit." Such pathos may have moved an amendment to the amendment.

The House changed Bishop Henderson's original wording, putting back the words "affirm that God has called and may call such individuals, to any ordained ministry in The Episcopal Church" and adding "God's call" is "a mystery" from the text of Dorsey's original amendment.

This was popular, prompting the Bishop of Iowa to state that, "You bring us to transparency and remove any attempt at evasion, this is who we are." Bishop Lamb of the pro-TEC diocese of Quincy concurred. For him, the amendment to the amendment made it "very clear that this process (discernment for ministry) is open." The honesty refrain was taken up by several other prelates, Bishop Steven Charleston of California felt that "we got into a lot of this mess because we said one thing and did another."

However, some bishops appeared confused. The Bishop of Eastern Michigan, Edwin Leidel testified, "I have no idea what will happen... I don't have any clue." With that, the question was called on the amendment to the amendment, which was carried by the House. The bishops then discussed the newly amended resolution.

The Bishop of Arkansas The Rt. Rev. Larry R. Benfield reminded his fellow bishops of the mystery of God's love in the Trinity and argued that we shouldn't limit that love according to "human chromosonic make up." He believed that anything other than supporting the resolution would be "unfaithful to our ordination vows." After several more testimonies, a further amendment was made and the words "as a constituent member" (of the Anglican Communion) was added to the first Resolve.

Then Bishop David B. Reed, retired of Kentucky, asked the chair if it would be possible to divide the resolution. Jefferts Schori told him that he could offer a motion that the House could vote on the resolution by Resolves. Bishop Reed did not appear to understand this and was told to return to his seat, "I'm gonna ask you to sit down" said the Presiding Bishop to Reed, allowing discussion to continue. The monk bishop of Massachusetts, Thomas Shaw, described his calling of celibacy and then said, "now is the time" to pass the resolution, "the scales are falling from our eyes." More testimony followed, most of it for the resolution with some against.

The bishop of West Virginia objected, "We need to face the fact that this is a repudiation of B033... now we're shooting the gap..." and will, he felt, do the very things that the Communion has asked The Episcopal Church not to do. Peter Beckwith, Bishop of Springfield, agreed, "I do not believe it is right... sex outside marriage is inappropriate" and more importantly, he thought that what was at stake was "a perceived justice issue" over and against the "integrity of the Communion." The Bishop of Albany Bill Love spoke in the same vein, stating that "If this resolution passes, The Episcopal Church will cease to be what its always been." For him, passing amended D025 would "totally shred" the Communion... a loss to us and the wider Church."

Others, notably Bishop Mark Lawrence of South Carolina and Bishop John W. Howe of Central Florida spoke powerfully against the resolution. But the tide of the House was against them and the Archbishop of Canterbury, who had warned against such legislation earlier that day at General Synod.

The amended resolution now returns to the House of Deputies for final ratification and with it a clear signal to the Anglican Communion, that The Episcopal Church has no legislative regard for Lambeth 1:10 or the moratorium on gay consecrations suggested by the Windsor Report.

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MarkP
Posted: 2009/7/14 4:24  Updated: 2009/7/14 4:24
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
OK, fair enough. No more "saying one thing" and "doing another." People can choose sides. And clearly TEC no longer makes room of the middle way.

Sadly, those of us who support WO but dispute GO (gay ordination) will have to find a place outside TEC, outside Rome and outside the Orthodox. What's left? The Presbys? The Lutherans? The Methodists?
soapysam
Posted: 2009/7/14 4:51  Updated: 2009/7/14 4:51
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
The ninety-nine shepherds in the wilderness.
ACLins
Posted: 2009/7/14 5:19  Updated: 2009/7/14 5:19
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Mark P, ask yourself how TEC got to this place. In ordaining women priests, it broke the back of Holy Orders as the Church has always known them. Once you do that you can order your 'church' however you wish. The intention to ordain homosexuals was there from the start... the first woman canonically ordained was a lesbian and an officer of Integrity.

Women have more significant leadership roles and influence in Holy Tradition. This is the case when they are not boxed into being priests because that's perceived as the only way to be a leader in TEC.

I encourage you to read this:
http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2009/04/why-women-were-never-priests.html

and this: http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2007/09/males-as-spiritual-leaders-two-patterns.html

Best wishes to you.
CityTroope
Posted: 2009/7/14 9:41  Updated: 2009/7/14 9:41
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Joined: 2004/12/2
From: Rosemont, PA
Posts: 148
 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Thank God for the actions in the House of Bishops! They can no longer pretend to have any regard for anyone or anything. They are not Anglicans. They are not Christians.

How long will it be before Bishop Mark Lawrence of South Carolina and Bishop John W. Howe of Central Florida and the 38 others who spoke against this leave? How long will they try to swim in the toilet bowl and stay clean?
daveball
Posted: 2009/7/14 10:13  Updated: 2009/7/14 10:13
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Absolutely no surprise here. Now that the mask is off, expect a torrent of gay resolutions and further heresy from the new "Church of What's Happening Now". Methinks that the communion wine has been replaced with Koolaid (laced with LSD).

I pray for the few remaining Christians in TEc, that they will see that the "work within" strategy is futile, that they will leave and flourish and serve the Lord in a more fertile environment.
Diasporite
Posted: 2009/7/14 12:27  Updated: 2009/7/14 12:27
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
One wonders whether, of the 39 who spoke against, bishops like +Dallas, +Western LA, and other presumably orthodox ordinaries had anything notable or powerful to say? The silence is deafening.
cmsigler
Posted: 2009/7/14 12:46  Updated: 2009/7/14 12:46
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
"The Bishop of Arkansas The Rt. Rev. Larry R. Benfield reminded his fellow bishops of the mystery of God's love in the Trinity and argued that we shouldn't limit that love according to 'human chromosonic make up.'"

Such confusion! Such utter chaos! This statement is a total confounding of God's love, which is holy (and heavenly), with what we, as humans, experience as (earthly) love.

And heaven forbid the "chromosomic make-up" people carry as a part of God's created order should limit anything! When was the last time the order of anything God created (the Word written, the Word Incarnate, the Creation) limited the thoughts, words or deeds of anyone in TEC?

Clemmitt
Cennydd
Posted: 2009/7/14 12:47  Updated: 2009/7/14 12:53
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Those bishops who voted against this resolution now have two choices to make: Leave TEC for the ACNA, or remain within TEC and work for change from within.

If they choose to remain, they are in for a long hard slog, and it will be many years before any change is noticeable, if there ever is a change.

If they choose to join the ACNA, there is much for them to do in serving Christ and His Church in new dioceses and other work.

The future in the ACNA is there for them to see. Will they grasp it?

Cennydd
john123
Posted: 2009/7/14 13:17  Updated: 2009/7/14 13:17
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
There never could be and never will be any change of course for these people. One stays at ones peril.

Those who voted against this resolution have only one choice and that is the same choice they have had for many years. GET OUT. Yes, there are speed bumps ahead, but we Orthodox Anglicans will all come together in Christ.
railbirdbc
Posted: 2009/7/14 13:20  Updated: 2009/7/14 13:21
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
This scenario (or one very like it) has already been played out in America's church history. Look back to the 18th century battle between the Trinitarians and the Unitarians of New England. Can one make a change from within? No! Once the Unitarians split from the Trinitarians it was a downhill slide into what Unitarianism is today, a religion which does not even like to use the word "God" in it services (Unitarians laughingly refer to this anomaly as using the "G" word). Once it made the break with orthodoxy, Unitarianism slid into Universalism and from there into a wholly secular religion. Today Unitarians proudly boast that its members are able to "make" their own theology based on personal experience and personal spiritual needs.

TEC is following this sad model. In a few years time no genuine, believing Christian will even be able to function from the inside of TEC. It will not be politically of spiritually possible to do so.
warmac9999
Posted: 2009/7/14 13:37  Updated: 2009/7/14 13:37
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
There was a time when the ABC could have stopped this TEC nonsense - but he chose caution rather than biblical truth. Now his choice is ACNA or TEC, and he doesn't know what to do. It is clear that TEC is no longer a Christian church in any sense other than the clothing they wear.
Cennydd
Posted: 2009/7/14 14:21  Updated: 2009/7/14 14:24
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Speaking of "saying one thing and doing another," I find it galling that TEC proclaims that they say they intend to stay in the Anglican Communion....and pretty much running things....while at the same time they have formally shown that they are going to continue to go their own way....without caring one iota about what the rest of us think or say.

That is absolutely unacceptable, and as far as I'M concerned, they have left us. They don't matter any more. They are unclean, and they are liars.

Cennydd
john123
Posted: 2009/7/14 14:59  Updated: 2009/7/14 15:03
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Cennydd. Help is on the way.

The Timesonline reports the following this morning:

"The Anglican church in the United States is now facing calls for its representatives to be kicked off the bodies that run the Anglican Communion.

Bishop of Sherborne Dr Graham Kings said: “The Episcopal Church has clearly signalled, against the specific plea of the Archbishop of Canterbury on this very issue, its choice of autonomy over interdependence in the Anglican Communion. Questions will now have to be asked about the full continued participation of Episcopal Church representatives in Anglican Communion meetings.”

Dr Kings’s comments are particularly significant because, as a founder of the open or moderate evangelical forum Fulcrum, he has been one of the strongest advocates in the Church for maintaining bonds between evangelicals and liberals.

The decision will strengthen support for the breakaway conservative rebels from the evangelical provinces of Africa and Asia."

Dr King does not go far enough for me. I want them
kicked right out. But it is a start
Cennydd
Posted: 2009/7/14 16:04  Updated: 2009/7/14 16:09
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
John123, I fully expect TEC to tell us all to go to Hell if this ever happens.

As I said on another thread, TEC now regards itself as "The Episcopal Communion," with 16 overseas branches, and therefore they think themselves capable of operating on their own.

Let 'em try, and the rest of us can continue on doing the Lord's work, as He commanded us to do!

Cennydd
patulous
Posted: 2009/7/14 20:13  Updated: 2009/7/16 12:40
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
Me thinks that we should all get rid of any identification with TEC and tell RW to do the same.

*If that doesn't scare KJS, then tell her that the communion is dropping their membership forthwith.

*If RW doesn't drop TEC membership, then rescind his holy orders forthwith.

Something is bound to happen then.
SixDays
Posted: 2009/7/16 11:55  Updated: 2009/7/16 11:55
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 Re: GC2009: Episcopal House of Bishops Say Yes to Gays
QUOTE: "Sadly, those of us who support WO but dispute GO (gay ordination) will have to find a place outside TEC, outside Rome and outside the Orthodox. What's left? The Presbys? The Lutherans? The Methodists?"

Any of those should do just fine.

SD
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