JAMAICA: Episcopal Church Warned by Covenant Chairman Not to Pass Sexuality Resolutions at GC2009
By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
5/5/2009
The Episcopal Church was given a stiff warning by the Archbishop of the West Indies and chairman of the Covenant Working Group today that if it passes any sexuality resolutions at GC2009 it will "imperil" the future of the Anglican Communion.
The Most Rev. Drexel Gomez said at a press conference that if GC2009 rescinds Resolution B033 and removes any barriers to persons involved in same-sex relationships, it will imperil the work of the Covenant (in its final draft) and will have an impact on the rest of the communion because of the responses others will need to make.
Gomez said the content of the Covenant is not new, but a restatement of what Anglicans believe. He said that the establishment of the Anglican Covenant is a mechanism, an enhancement of life in the communion
Despite the several drafts the Covenant has gone through, Gomez said the Covenant is right. "We have done the best that possibly can be done. It has a strong theological base, focuses on the inheritance of faith and digs deep wells - all Anglican wells - there is nothing new in it. There are no innovations. It has a strong emphasis on the mission of God and ends with a solid declaration of what we believe."
St. Asaph Bishop-elect Geoffrey Cameron, a former ACC official, said it is now up to the ACC to believe that the Ridley Cambridge Draft is mature enough to be offered to the provinces for discernment.
Anglican Mainstream leader The Rev. Dr. Chris Sugden noted the long drawn out process of provincial decision-making in some cases would seem to increase the likelihood that those dioceses who wish to sign might take steps to do so outside the province. He asked Bishop Cameron to advise on the counsel given by Datuk Stanley Isaacs in the plenary session on the Covenant that those provinces, whose current polity would not normally allow for a decision by 2014, should be encouraged to take up this matter as emergency business.
Cameron acknowledged the "snail's pace" progress and that he had heard that many wanted a tighter framework than that proposed in the current draft. "The mind of the Council is that they would like it to be shorter," he said. Recognizing the fragility of the covenant drawing all the provinces together, Cameron acknowledged that relationships are extremely complicated and the best language is that used by the Archbishop of Canterbury who saw the Covenant as an "intensification of current relationships" if a body refused to enter into a deeper relationship.
He also said that if a number of provinces could not sign off on it, then a two- tier system might be necessary to hold the communion together.
When VOL asked if the ACC accepts the language of Proposal 4.15, which opens the door for the possibility of other provinces signing off on the Covenant, Cameron said that that was a possible an interpretation. "If the Covenant comes into force it opens the door for possibility of other entities and other provinces signing off on it." He saw it as a second level possibility.
When VOL asked if the language of "other entities" in 4.15 of the Draft which said it shall be open to other churches to adopt the covenant, Cameron did not rule it in or out. Gomez noted that it would be therefore possible for Bishop Duncan's ACNA province to sign up to the Covenant.
"Where it is not ruled out by the Canons and Constitution of any particular diocese or province, there is no reason a diocese should not express itself in solidarity with the Anglican Communion."
Cameron noted that there was enthusiasm by the ACC for an open ended Covenant which encourages others to join and have as wide a membership as possible. "We are talking about a dynamic process. All the provinces would need to sign up to the Covenant," he said.
Asked what would happen if some provinces (like TEC) don't sign up, Cameron said he didn't want to link membership of the Covenant with the Instruments of the Communion.
"This could lead to a two tier Anglican Communion with an inner fellowship based around the Covenant and a broader Anglican Church not signed up to the Covenant," said Cameron. "It would be up to the Instruments of the Communion to discern who was in and who was out."
Cameron said that Dr. Williams is on record that he would prefer a stronger Covenant even if all provinces didn't sign rather than a weaker one that few would sign.
Asked by AAC new reporter Robert Lundy if section 4 should stay in, in its entirety, Gomes said yes. "To remove Section 4 would be to reduce the force of the Covenant and make it a non-covenant. It ought to be offered as a whole. It is a coherent whole."
Gomez noted that the failure of the communion to do something definitive creates an air of uncertainty in the communion.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/5/6 15:29 Updated: 2009/5/6 16:58 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
I agree with this warning on the part of Archbishop Gomez....not that I think the Covenant will work, because I honestly don't think it will be allowed to work.
I think it would've helped everyone to better understand the meaning of the Covenant if it had been written and presented in everyday English....or whatever language it's presented in....if it had been written in the language of the average parishioner instead of ecclesiastical officialese, which is long, drawn out, and much too wordy. In other words: Make it short, quick, and cut to the chase when presenting it, and in a form understood by even the average pewsitter. Don't say in one hundred words when you can say the same thing in ten words. Cennydd |
| gmcdermith | Posted: 2009/5/6 17:29 Updated: 2009/5/6 17:29 |
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I agree- and I fear the good Archbishop's warning will fall on deaf ears.
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| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/5/6 17:36 Updated: 2009/5/6 17:36 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2005/10/30 From: Los Banos, CA, Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin Posts: 6684 |
Oh, it'll fall on deaf ears, alright! Schori will sneer and turn up her nose at it, give it a toss of her hand, and send it into File 13.
Cennydd |
| ctowles | Posted: 2009/5/6 18:10 Updated: 2009/5/6 18:11 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/12/4 From: Posts: 477 |
"Asked what would happen if some provinces (like TEC) don't sign up, Cameron said he didn't want to link membership of the Covenant with the Instruments of the Communion."
Which means if you sign on to the Covenant your are Anglican. If not, you are a historical relic like the 39 Articles of Faith are now. That is the second tier. |
| railbirdbc | Posted: 2009/5/6 19:35 Updated: 2009/5/6 19:35 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/6/6 From: Posts: 723 |
Did I hear the term "deep wells" used. You can drown in deep wells, if you're not very careful. But I think this is a deep well that's run dry.
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| Ikerliker | Posted: 2009/5/7 0:20 Updated: 2009/5/7 0:20 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2007/1/16 From: PA Posts: 2046 |
This is why Mrs. Schori is doing embroidery....it gives her something else to think about while people are talking that she doesn't agree with. However, many already know this...she should be prohibited from crafting during these discussions and give them her full attention. It's disrespectful.
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| gregory | Posted: 2009/5/7 13:25 Updated: 2009/5/7 14:05 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/8/4 From: Nflorida Posts: 4423 |
railbird, i understood the "deep well" sentences in a different way.
i think you are referring to the "deep wells" of the revisionists. Which are probably dry but could also be of a different kind of wet with dead water, ie a cesspool in nature... Then again it could be the "deep well" that is the crest of the present TEcult "The love of a man's hairy smelly butt". "We have done the best that possibly can be done. It has a strong theological base, focuses on the inheritance of faith and digs deep wells - all Anglican wells - there is nothing new in it. There are no innovations. It has a strong emphasis on the mission of God and ends with a solid declaration of what we believe." Actually a pretty good statement, for three sentences. i believe that with more of God's help we will see an even better "Anglican Covenant". We've seen the Old Covenant--A physical covenant based on physical promises. Genesis 19-24, Exodus 19:5-6; Deuteronomy 28; Leviticus 26 (etc) and then the "New Covenant"; A spiritual covenant based on spiritual promises and eternal life. John 3:16; Hebrews 8:6, 9:15; Romans 8; Luke 18:29-30 Remember that God provided underground lakes for his people in Israel... that provided enough water for a large growing population... All of it being drawn from a central "deep well". ie; Abraham was summoned from Ur of Chaldean to Canaan to bring about the formation of a people with belief in the One God... There is no "deeper well" than God, The Father. That's why we, Christians, who are obedient to God, The Son Jesus Christ, can draw/receive *living water*, by the workings of God, The Holy Spirit. humbly, gregory |
| daveball | Posted: 2009/5/7 14:56 Updated: 2009/5/7 14:56 |
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Does anyone seriously think TEc gives a wit about the Covenant? The only purpose they can see for it is if they can somehow use it to reinforce their unaltered position. They are way too far down the path to becoming a completely heretic homosexual church to change course.
Save your breath, Bp Gomez. The Covenant is as dead as reconcilliation. |
| jaqio | Posted: 2009/5/7 15:16 Updated: 2009/5/7 15:16 |
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i agree with daveball, even if they do sign it they will go ahead and do whatever they wish as they have always done. nothing will change, it will probably get worse and the communion will still be nattering on about the listening process in another thirty years' time. by then the orthodox will have left or been pushed out. it is all too easy to read the sad future.
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| Ritzie | Posted: 2009/5/11 18:37 Updated: 2009/5/11 18:37 |
Not too shy to talk ![]() ![]() Joined: 2009/1/5 From: Kentucky Posts: 40 |
Swim the "Tiber"..Go to Rome..Central Authority, a Magisterium and a place where "THE BUCK STOPS HERE" The Pope.....
My family took the dip years ago..We saw what Pike and Song had birthed..We saw the GLTG influence, the "touchy feely" hurt no ones feelings, church, where everyone gets "hurt".... Rome may have its problems but you sure know where you stand in no certain terms... Come for a swim the water is fine !!!!!! |
| Dominic | Posted: 2009/5/13 12:47 Updated: 2009/5/13 12:47 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2006/7/10 From: London Posts: 285 |
Does anyone else join me in wondering how something that has already fallen apart can be held together?
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| Festivus | Posted: 2009/5/14 15:26 Updated: 2009/5/14 15:26 |
Home away from home ![]() ![]() Joined: 2004/12/2 From: Earth Posts: 240 |
Really. He means it THIS TIME. Do not cross THIS LINE drawn in the sand. Or else...
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