JAMAICA: Archbishop of Canterbury Makes Final Plea for Communion to Stay Together
By David W. Virtue in Jamaica
www.virtueonline.org
5/5/2009
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams made a final appeal for unity here saying that both sides in the Communion must make a final stab at reconciliation "before we say goodbye to each other. We owe it to the Lord of the Church to try one last time."
In a meeting with delegates to the Anglican Consultative Council-14 here in Kingston, Dr. Williams appealed for the Covenant process to play itself out and for unity among the four instruments of unity, urging a renewal of the "listening process" and requesting the "moratoria" be maintained. Williams acknowledged that an "ecclesial deficit" exists and that what these words mean is that the Anglican Communion suffers from a lack of clarity about what kind of fellowship it is meant to be.
"Only if the dialogue is seen to continue, and if there is an all-round readiness to engage in conversation and discernment to the Listening Process, is there a hope of persuading the advocates of revision in the teaching of the Anglican churches to remain committed to the period of 'gracious restraint'."
We need a common mind upon the issues which threaten to divide us, he said. Williams noted that where the Moratoria created impaired communion, there were "consequences" and that something should be done at either the diocesan or provincial level. Williams acknowledged that the Moratoria demanded that no further bishops living in same gender unions be permitted, that permission for rites of blessing for same sex unions not be put in place and that interventions in provinces should cease.
The Windsor Continuation Group called on Dr. Williams to appoint an executive officer to carry out (but not enforce) the recommendations of the Instruments of Communion to deal with emerging situations.
The Archbishop of Canterbury said that the Bishops are not a College of Cardinals and that the Primates are still struggling to find the right balance.
He also acknowledged that the Anglican Consultative Council it not working effectively and that a review on ACC's effectiveness should be commissioned.
During a question and answer period, Nigerian lay delegate Abraham Yisa asked how long would the Listening Process and Moratoria continue as he is of the opinion that nothing is coming out of it so what is the point of sticking at it ad infinitum. "We have to make a decision," he said.
Egyptian Archbishop Mouneer Anis said a lack of trust now exists and "gracious restraint" won't bring unity. "We need a safe distance so we can really say we will listen till ACC-16. Some of us are in impaired communion. If there is a ceasefire this would allow the process to go ahead."
Peruvian Bishop Bill Godfrey asked if the church is listening to the Lord and would the Instruments of Unity be subject to the Word of God.
Williams concluded his remarks by saying that his prayer for the church was that the Covenant will help the Anglican Communion respond to the Lord of the Church.
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| Sodslaw | Posted: 2009/5/5 19:33 Updated: 2009/5/5 19:33 |
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More nonsense!
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| Sodslaw | Posted: 2009/5/5 19:35 Updated: 2009/5/5 19:35 |
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As the case of TEC Vs +Schofield is played out in the Fresno Courts in California, would someone please ask Rowan what Moratoria??
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| Glendermot | Posted: 2009/5/5 21:45 Updated: 2009/5/5 21:45 |
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Moratorium?
The ACNC should have enough American Bishops when it becomes official in June, to say that it can comply with the Moratoria. This will call the bluff of TEC www.churchoftheword.net |
| Cennydd | Posted: 2009/5/5 22:08 Updated: 2009/5/5 22:09 |
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Glendermot, with something like 32 ACNA dioceses either forming or in existence, I'm sure there will be enough bishops who can say they can comply with the moratorium.
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| Ikerliker | Posted: 2009/5/5 23:24 Updated: 2009/5/5 23:24 |
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more fresh fudge folks!
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| LGMarshall | Posted: 2009/5/6 0:16 Updated: 2009/5/6 0:16 |
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You cannot reconcile Truth with Un-Truths. It will not happen, Ever. Either you have Faith or you don't. I think that even the Anglican Orthodox have been guilty of dragging this thing out forever.... the Buzzwords of 'Reconciliation', 'Listening', 'Tolerance', have only resulted in pleasing Satan. Time is short. Get in gear people. Let's accept the Commission that Jesus Christ gave us, shake off the dust from your shoes, and move on. The Harvest is great, but the Workers are few. There are many who are Ready to Accept the Saving Gospel of Jesus Christ, look around, it's your neighbor, your associate, your friend in need.... they are Ready, Minister to Them.
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| otispage2 | Posted: 2009/5/6 1:00 Updated: 2009/5/6 1:00 |
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Reconciliation – that tired word of deceit – orchestrated by the homosexuals within TEC to bring the orthodox to their knees.
ABC subscribes to this lie – and is therefore guilty of the same apostasy that betrays the true loyal Saints within TEC and the Anglican Communion who cherish “the faith once given.” |
| leader1111 | Posted: 2009/5/6 1:33 Updated: 2009/5/6 1:33 |
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Endlessly we are told he has a brilliant mind. He is a great theologian. And still the ABC doesn't get it. The ABC states he believes ideas that go against traditional Anglican thought. He cares so little that he won't even defend the most basic of beliefs from the heretics. Is it any wonder that the end is nigh. The ABC is having his decision to do absolutely nothing to defend the faith written as history. History, and more importantly Christ, will not judge you well Archbishop.
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| GardenSt | Posted: 2009/5/6 1:45 Updated: 2009/5/6 1:45 |
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"gracious restraint" implies that those being "gracious" are right. You know what that makes the rest of Christianity.
Also, The Anglican Communion is NOT a "church" its is federation of 38 churches in communion with each other and sharing a common history. So, as with Rome and the Orthodox any other "church" can set up shop as they please and proclaim the Gospel. There are no borders. |
| Aneirin | Posted: 2009/5/6 4:42 Updated: 2009/5/6 4:42 |
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We need a common mind upon the issues which threaten to divide us, he said.
The ABC is either delusional or he is playing a deceitful game out to the end. We don't need a common mind - we need the truth as delivered once and for all in the Holy Scriptures. |
| esniii | Posted: 2009/5/6 16:09 Updated: 2009/5/6 16:09 |
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Actually, I'd say we DO need a common mind, but it should be a mind informed by the Word of God, and not so much by the pet ideas of man.
I'm not at all sure that's what Williams has in mind, unfortunately. |
| gmcdermith | Posted: 2009/5/6 17:34 Updated: 2009/5/6 17:34 |
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Might owe it to the AC to try one more time, but I believe one owes it to Jesus to get beyond these idiotic word games and get on with building up the church. What part has Christ with Bale?
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| Falcon | Posted: 2009/5/7 0:16 Updated: 2009/5/7 0:16 |
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“All-round readiness to engage in conversation and discernment to the Listening Process” ran out of gas long, long ago.
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| patulous | Posted: 2009/5/7 7:45 Updated: 2009/5/7 7:50 |
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Quote: "We owe it to the Lord of the Church to try one last time."
RW acts like a possessed man. Sick of sin and the acts of covering it up with the words like "gracious restraint", and listening process. This is why TEC has only gotten worse and will show what it is really about this summer at GC2009. The "Lord of the Church" sounds like VGR's "God of many understandings." I would prefer to say, "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." |
| quissum | Posted: 2009/5/7 9:45 Updated: 2009/5/7 9:45 |
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when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth? (Luke 18:8)
This cryptic comment by our Lord is recorded only once in the synoptic gospels. It seems, however, to refer to His Second Coming and the faithlessness that prevails when "the love of many will grow cold." Certainly the major problem facing any attempt to hold the Anglican Communion together is the gross lack of faith (and Faith) that separate the orthodox from the revisionists. This fundamental breech is now impassible between those who will to remain faithful to the biblical and apostolic Faith and those who wish to rethink, revise, and reinvent Christianity to conform to the world. In the context of the passage above, right before Christ's statement, even a godless judge is wearied into action by an importunate woman: similarly do revisionists hope to wear down opposition to wearied acceptance of the next item on their agenda (and, rest assured, it doesn't end with full inclusion of homosexuality!). Directly following the Lord's comment above is the profound parable of the spiritually proud Pharisee, utterly blind to his lost condition, and the Publican whose sense of his sinfulness before God is deep and repentant. How like this are the spiritual pharisees of revisionism who are so blind to sin and confident in themselves; who call what is unholy 'holy' and thus prevent sinners from repentance! |
| daveball | Posted: 2009/5/7 14:52 Updated: 2009/5/7 14:52 |
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If Rowan wants to consider what is owed to the Lord, how about beginning with an abject confession of sin by TEc and a heartfelt plea for forgiveness for straying from God's Word. How about Rowan asking forgiveness for being ineffective and failing to lead.
I'm sure we all have plenty to confess and seek forgiveness for but TEc and Rowan will be answering for much with regard to apostacy and heresy on judgement day. Sorry Rowan. Game over. Reconcilliation is the last thing on TEc's mind. |
| Bob4th | Posted: 2009/5/7 18:16 Updated: 2009/5/7 18:16 |
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Isn't this Rowan's 20th final plea? He's had more final pleas than the Rolling Stones have had final concert tours.
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| JRoss | Posted: 2009/5/9 12:42 Updated: 2009/5/9 12:42 |
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""He also acknowledged that the Anglican Consultative Council it not working effectively and that a review on ACC's effectiveness should be commissioned."""
Maybe if it weren't influenced so greatly by the dollars from TEC, and more Biblically driven, it would have some credibility and be effective. |
























