So when a report emerges that is the subject of major controversy within the church and society some retired bishops will wish to do what the signatories of this letter are seeking to do, namely to reflect from their particular perspective on what our successors are seeking to say and do about an issue that has been a longstanding source of concern and contention.

Your statement is the product of enormous time and effort, our memories of such situations suggesting perhaps too much time and too much effort. The 'too much' comes from the enormous sense of responsibility your document shows to manage a conflict that you and we know causes huge amounts of grief and argument. The result, dare we say, is that whereas it used to be said that bishops often sounded as though they spoke with a pipe in their mouths, now that pipes are rare they sound more as though they see their task as managing -- rather than perhaps enabling or leading -- the conflicts that are bound to occur. And we remember how exhausting that is, and how it seems to blunt the edge of bishops' own passionate convictions, which might divide them but also invigorate the conversation.

You write after the Shared Conversations. We well remember having had lots of those, even if they did not have capital letters. But their integrity rested on the assurance that in reporting them the voices of those who participated would not be drowned out by the 'majority view' or 'established position'. Our perception is that while the pain of LGBT people is spoken about in your report, we do not hear its authentic voice. Our experience would lead us to doubt whether there was an expectation around that canons and doctrinal statements would be changed within any reasonable timescale, and that focus seems to have taken far more time than it would have done if the authentic voices of lesbian and gay people had been allowed to express the major focus of their hopes. Going down the road of seeking a change in the law or doctrinal formulation would indeed not have been realistic -- but you might not have had to spend as much time explaining why if those other voices had been allowed to come through more clearly.

The result of that focus on the issue of a change in the law is that your call for change of tone and culture, while absolutely right, does not carry conviction. Indeed, from the perhaps luxurious perspective of retirement the tone and culture of your document are incredibly familiar -- we've been there and talked in that tone of voice, and it prevents calls for a change of culture, of course offered in complete sincerity by you, from ringing true.

We'll avoid making too many detailed points just now; but hard as you have tried you have really not allowed the theological voice of some of us to be heard properly. In para 8 you draw a contrast between 'the many who [hold] a conservative view of scripture [for whom] the underlying issue at stake is faithfulness to God's word' and others for whom 'the imperative to read scripture differently stems from a parallel conviction'. If the second group are to recognise their voice in theological conversations their 'parallel conviction' needs to be expressed and not just alluded to.

May we end by assuring you that we continue to sympathise with the challenging nature of the task you have in this and other matters. You will receive much negative comment about your report, and we hope that these brief remarks may illuminate the reason for that: it is not that the Shared Conversations were thought to herald changes of law or doctrine; rather there will be deep disappointment that those who are not officially part of your meetings, who experience at first hand the struggles you only allude to, have once again been spoken about by their bishops instead of being enabled to speak in their own voice about their future and the future of the church they belong to and care about.

Yours sincerely in Christ

The Rt Revd Dr David Atkinson, formerly Bishop of Thetford;

The Rt Revd Michael Doe, formerly Bishop of Swindon;

The Rt Revd Dr Timothy Ellis, formerly Bishop of Grantham;

The Rt Revd David Gillett, formerly Bishop of Bolton;

The Rt Revd John Gladwin, formerly Bishop of Guildford and of Chelmsford;

The Rt Revd Dr Laurie Green, formerly Bishop of Bradwell;

The Rt Revd the Lord Harries, formerly Bishop of Oxford;

The Rt Revd Stephen Lowe, formerly Bishop of Hulme;

The Rt Revd Dr Stephen Platten, formerly Bishop of Wakefield;

The Rt Revd John Pritchard, formerly Bishop of Oxford;

The Rt Revd Dr Peter Selby, formerly Bishop of Worcester;

The Rt Revd Tim Stevens, formerly Bishop of Leicester;

The Rt Revd Roy Williamson, formerly Bishop of Bradford and of Southwark; and

The Rt Revd Martin Wharton CBE, formerly Bishop of Newcastle